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Bush's Hispanic strategy comes unraveled. (A Look Back on the Failed History of Hispandering)
The National Review ^ | April 8, 2002 | John O’Sullivan

Posted on 06/25/2003 11:15:39 AM PDT by Pubbie

On March 12, two quite separate events combined to undermine the Bush administration's strategy for building a new GOP majority by winning Hispanic votes with such policies as an amnesty for illegal Mexican immigrants. The first event was the result of the Democratic primary in Texas, in which conservative millionaire Tony Sanchez handily defeated former attorney general Dan Morales with a campaign that stressed the rise of Hispanic power. The second was the near defeat in the House of Representatives of Section 245(i) — a measure to allow more than 200,000 illegal immigrants to remain in the U.S. while regularizing their status, rather than requiring them to return home to apply for U.S. entry from there. The Texas primary strengthened the evidence that the Hispanic vote is drifting firmly into the Democratic camp — irrespective of the GOP's immigration policies. And the House vote signaled that in the aftermath of September 11 most Republicans want to tighten immigration policy rather than liberalize it. Together, they suggest that the Bush administration's Hispanic strategy is falling apart.

In particular, the House decision — in which the Republican leadership averted defeat by a single vote — established that the White House no longer has the Re publican votes to push through its larger plans to amnesty 3 million illegal Mexican "guestworkers" as a favor to Mexico's President Fox. Not only did a clear majority of Republicans, including some close to the leadership, rally to the standard raised by Colorado representative Tom Tancredo in opposition to 245(i); but those who voted against it included all the Republicans (and some Democrats) who are considering a run for higher office this year, with the sole exception of New Hampshire representative John Sununu Jr. The measure achieved its narrow victory only with the support of congressmen like Lamar Smith of Texas and Judiciary Committee chairman James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, who generally favor tighter immigration controls and would almost certainly oppose the broader amnesty proposal.

The measure now faces an uncertain future in the Senate, where Robert Byrd of West Virginia has announced that he will prevent its passage under the "unanimous consent" provision that was its best hope of an early win. He expressed theatrical astonishment that the House and the White House should be so keen to pass "what amounts to an amnesty for hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, many of whom have not undergone any background or security check." The politics of an immigration amnesty just got more perilous.

It may have helped the opponents of 245(i) that the previous week President Fox, in between eloquent appeals for a warm American welcome for Mexican immigrants, had handed back to Castro's secret police the handful of Cubans who had sought asylum in his own embassy. But that merely provided them with a nice secondary justification: Their main incentive was changing public opinion. Those Republicans with the most urgent reason for getting public opinion right — their own electoral interests — voted against the White House. One congressman, when taxed by a loyalist, gave his reason simply as "September 11th." Tancredo's immigration-reform caucus, which a year ago had a membership in the low teens, now boasts more than 60 adherents. And Robert Byrd has just reminded the GOP that even if the national Democratic party favors Hispanic immigration even more fervently than the White House does, local Demo cratic candidates may still flay them for a vote that seems to endorse and encourage illegal immigration.

The lesson for the White House is — or should be — clear: It can only pass the broader immigration amnesty it has been promoting over and against the votes of the majority of Republicans. That course will doubtless be urged upon it by some political analysts and pressure groups, citing the precedent of Clintonian "triangulation." That precedent, however, suffers from an obvious flaw: Clinton's triangulation meant supporting a welfare reform that was overwhelmingly popular with the American public, whereas illegal immigration is highly unpopular. Indeed, pollster John Zogby reports that 83 percent of Americans believe immigration laws are too lax. So the GOP majority would have public opinion on its side in resisting any move to make immigration easier. In which case the White House cannot deliver the goods on which its electoral outreach to Hispanics is based — and it would therefore be well advised to adopt a different strategy.

The good news from the Texas primary is that this may not matter very much, since the old strategy was doomed to fail anyway. It was based on a whole series of assumptions about Hispanic voters, each one of which was either plainly false or highly questionable: for instance, that Hispanic-Americans favor high levels of immigration. In fact, opinion polls clearly show that Hispanics differ only slightly from other Americans on immigration. A clear majority of Hispanics favor either the current or lower levels of immigration. Hispanic voters are swayed much more by the general policy stances of both parties than by immigration.

Another questionable idea is that Hispanic voters are "natural Republicans" because of their conservatism on moral questions such as "gay marriage" or abortion. Sure, in a California referendum on gay marriage, Hispanics voted disproportionately against it. But Hispanics tend to be liberal on economic questions, and when it comes to voting and party identification, in the self-satisfied but accurate words of liberal California analyst Harold Meyerson (now of The American Prospect), "their economic progressivism has consistently trumped their moral conservatism."

Are Hispanics likely to become more Republican the longer they stay in the U.S., and the more they rise up the income scale? No. A study by political scientists James G. Gimpel and Karen Kaufmann showed that Hispanics became more Democratic the longer they stayed in the U.S., and though Republican identification did indeed rise with prosperity, the Democrats retained a 10-point lead even at the highest levels of income.

The Texas primary confirmed these gloomy results for the GOP even before the results were tabulated. Hispanics were 12 percent of the Texas electorate in 1998, and are expected to be 20 percent — the "tipping point" at which their rise will make Texas a Democratic-leaning state — within six years. As GOP pollster Matthew Dowd, a longtime booster of the Hispanic/amnesty strategy, conceded to Dan Balz of the Washington Post: "The question this year is whether the Sanchez campaign advances that [i.e., making Texas a competitive swing state rather than a reliably Republican one], compressing six years into six months." It might do so; Sanchez combined an ethnic appeal to Hispanics — objecting to his opponent's wish to answer questions in English and Spanish rather than solely in Spanish in a televised debate — with an economic appeal to moderate middle-class whites, calling for low taxes.

For that very reason, however, his looks like a transitional candidacy even if he wins in November. For as Hispanic voting strength grows, so it is likely to reflect in Texas the liberal economic voting patterns celebrated by Meyerson in California.

What lies behind this political drift in Texas? Exactly the same force that is pushing once-reliable GOP states like California and Florida into, first, the "undecided" and eventually the "Democratic" column: demographic change driven by immigration. The Hispanic share of the population has risen sharply in these major states in the last 30 years; the Hispanic share of the electorate is now catching up, as immigrants become citizens and register to vote; and their votes heavily favor the Democrats. What has happened in California and now Texas is destined to happen in all the states with large concentrations of His panic immigrants. This is not a political prediction; it is a mathematical relationship.

As the study by Gimpel and Kaufmann demonstrated, moreover, this drift will be very hard to reverse. Republican hopes for major gains in the Hispanic electorate are without foundation. Democrats lead the GOP by large margins in every Hispanic group except Cuban-Americans. There is no sign that any significant group of Latino voters is "in play." Because Hispanic voters lean to the Democrats on economic and social grounds, the GOP would have to change almost all its policies (on taxes, welfare, regulation, labor law) to have any hope of attracting Hispanic crossovers in the long term. Above all, insofar as there is a modest drift rightwards among Hispanics as they rise economically, that is more than canceled out by the fact that continuing immigration channels new, poor Hispanic voters into the Democratic ranks.

Of course, there are Hispanics — between one-quarter and one-third of the total Latino electorate — who loyally pull the Republican lever. But they are the very voters who are least likely to favor sectional appeals to a separate Hispanic identity, such as an amnesty for illegals, and most likely to respond to traditional Republican arguments for patriotic assimilation. In the post-9/11 atmosphere, other Hispanics might be won over to their side by a patriotic appeal of that kind. But unless the Bush administration wakes up to the electoral impact of continuing immigration, the most the GOP can hope for is to slow the pace of its decline.


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To: JohnnyZ
I could give you drama about my own Catholic experience. But let's look at the facts. Italy and France. Try those five words there. Will they work? Heck, you're online. Give it a try right now. Good luck. They are dominantly Catholic. You don't stand a chance. In fact, their Catholic faith, it would appear, is driving them away from God. Look at the stats. It appears obvious to me, especially in Italy, the seat of the Vatican. Being close to the Pope hurts their faith, although this Pope is a good man, noted. FReegards....
81 posted on 06/25/2003 4:46:44 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

France has been more or less radically secularised since 1870, when France lost the Franco-Prussian war and Napolean III had to abdicate, and even then, since the French revelution of 1789, the French state and the church have been at odds, and the culture for more than 200 years has been on the path of secularisation.

One reason why Hispanics in the US have been so Democratic/Liberals on many issues is because of the Bishops appointed by Pope Pauil VI under papal Nuncio Abp Jean Jadot were ultra liberal, they are more liberal/secular humanist than Catholic, they hated tradition, they hated Westeren Civilisation. Some of his handywork, such as Cardinal Mahony of LA and Abp Flores of San Antonio, both who have pushed liberalism far more than church teaching, have had a impact, sadly, on the Hispanic vote. Liberation Theology, a theology that caused many Latin Americans to adopt Socilism, and despise anything that was European based, ironically was based off European Secular Humanism, and pushed by Jesuits who largely were born in Europe.

But the day of liberals, even moderates within the Catholic church is coming to a close. Simpily put, the progressive have produced very little in the way of vocations, and the well is running dry. The church is rightfully putting moral issues like abortion, and homosexuality on the front burner again, while finally letting the socialist, anti Westeren Civilisation trash to rot. This change will not happen overnight, the restoration if you will, but it is happening. What is ironic is in the US, the ones who push the liberal, anti Westeren Civilisation trash within the church are almost all white.
82 posted on 06/25/2003 5:12:53 PM PDT by JNB
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To: Pubbie
Pandering, appeasing, and "reaching" out NEVER works, and in fact these staretegies usually backfire.

Why the republicans never seem to learn this I just can't understand.
83 posted on 06/25/2003 7:16:14 PM PDT by republicman
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To: The Iguana
Bush screws veterans, who generally have supported him, and sucks up to illegals, who don't know or care who is the President of the United States, or why. They won't vote for him because they can't, and wouldn't necessarily do so if they could. The veterans are sick of broken promises and they are going to stick it to George W. unless the opposition candidate is unworldly in some major way.
84 posted on 06/25/2003 7:28:33 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Pubbie
Republican hopes for major gains in the Hispanic electorate are without foundation. Democrats lead the GOP by large margins in every Hispanic group except Cuban-Americans. There is no sign that any significant group of Latino voters is "in play."

Like DUH! Do Republican actually need consultants to tell them the Obvious.

Because Hispanic voters lean to the Democrats on economic and social grounds, the GOP would have to change almost all its policies (on taxes, welfare, regulation, labor law) to have any hope of attracting Hispanic crossovers in the long term.

Ya Think? Anyway, this is where Bush is coming from and where is he going. The only other rational explanation for Bush's shameless pandering to Mexicans is that Bush and his advisors are all morons and I don't believe that for a second. Bush & Co. plan to take the GOP much further to the left and any conservative that doesn't like it can hit the road. JMO.

85 posted on 06/25/2003 7:41:38 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Joe Hadenuf
The INS estimated in February 2003 that there were 432,000 illegal aliens residing in Illinois.

There is a lot more than that here in IL. Chicago alone probably has somewhere around 400,000 illegals. In the last 2 years there has been an explosion of illegal aliens out where I live some 50 miles from Chicago. It's prevalent in all our neighboring communities. The INS better do another estimate.

86 posted on 06/25/2003 8:05:34 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: JohnnyZ
They don't know much about government handouts and are skeptical.

They don't uh? Well, they seem pretty tuned in about government handouts here in the Chicago Area. Just about every Illegal I see at the grocery store breaks out food stamps to the cashier. And they don't look like they are hurting in the clothing and transportation categories either.

87 posted on 06/25/2003 8:29:49 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: WRhine
The only other rational explanation for Bush's shameless pandering to Mexicans is that Bush and his advisors are all morons and I don't believe that for a second. Bush & Co. plan to take the GOP much further to the left and any conservative that doesn't like it can hit the road. JMO.

This would almost be laughable, if it wasn't so damn true.....

88 posted on 06/25/2003 9:12:50 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: WRhine
There is a lot more than that here in IL. Chicago alone probably has somewhere around 400,000 illegals. In the last 2 years there has been an explosion of illegal aliens out where I live some 50 miles from Chicago. It's prevalent in all our neighboring communities. The INS better do another estimate.

I have got to the point where I have nothing but contempt for the two party cartel. It's all a GD outrage.....

89 posted on 06/25/2003 9:14:31 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: JohnnyZ
A sustained, unified effort is needed to get Hispanics to vote GOP, 'cause we've already let the Rats get a head start with their plan of indocrination

Huh? LOL!

90 posted on 06/25/2003 9:20:28 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: JohnnyZ
A sustained, unified effort is needed to get Hispanics to vote GOP, 'cause we've already let the Rats get a head start with their plan of indocrination

Huh? LOL!

91 posted on 06/25/2003 9:20:33 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"One can be for sensible immigration reforms without the vitriolic tone"

Thank You
92 posted on 06/25/2003 9:28:28 PM PDT by Classicaliberalconservative
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To: WRhine
{In the last 2 years there has been an explosion of illegal aliens out where I live some 50 miles from Chicago. It's prevalent in all our neighboring communities}

Yup. Drive around the Collar Counties, and you'll see Hispanics doing all the landscaping and fast food jobs. In fact, I currently live in an apartment complex made up of mostly Hispanics.
93 posted on 06/25/2003 9:31:33 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool
So, you're correct in that the illegal immigration problem is spreading everywhere. The sad part is that people don't seem to care much about it.

California did something about it and voted and won CA prop 187. Only to be told by the government that our free election was illegal and to F-off.

94 posted on 06/25/2003 9:46:51 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: Kuksool
Yup. Drive around the Collar Counties, and you'll see Hispanics doing all the landscaping and fast food jobs. In fact, I currently live in an apartment complex made up of mostly Hispanics.

That's what drove me out of the Arlington/Palatine area many years ago. Now, it's out here in McHenry County. Have you have you noticed how many Illegals are now working for road construction companies? Funny, when I travel through Wisconsin I never see this. You know why? The Wisconsin folks by and large make sure their government operates by the rules meaning No Illegal Labor at least on government jobs and they also tend to stick together in a family kind of way. Something that has always been missing in IL.

Like Joe Hadenuf says you can run but you can't hide from this epic invasion. Illegal Immigration is a Cancer on America and we had better start getting some treatment for it soon or the republic is finished.

95 posted on 06/25/2003 10:34:23 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Kuksool
Also, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (IL-04) is sponsoring a bill to grant amnesty to all illegals.

So, Gutierrez is sponsoring a bill to grant amnesty to his fellow Latinos, the illegal alien ones, huh? I wonder if, when he took his oath of office to serve in Congress, he said something like "I, Luis V. Gutierrez, being an avowed racist, do solemnly swear to do everything within my power as a member of Congress to help my fellow Latinos in any way that I can, and that includes granting amnesty to all Latino illegal aliens."

96 posted on 06/25/2003 10:42:44 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
>> And what percent of Hispanic votes will the GOP get if it adopts the Tancredo strategy of not so subtle denigration and a cold war against Hispanics? One can be for sensible immigration reforms without the vitriolic tone. "Irish need not apply" is not a brilliant election strategy for conservatism <<

Bull. What we are pressing is that the level of NEW Immigrats coming in are lowered back to their pre-1965 levels. This IS "sensibile" immigration reform, in fact, it's the exact same thing the GOP did back in the 1920s and it is overwhemingly popular with the American people. The Republican Party had solid control over government at that time (much better than a 51-49 lead in the Senate) and their unwaving plank on REASONABLE immigration levels (in contrast to the then-over swell of Eastern European immigrants) was universally supported across the country, including LEGAL immigrats (and it still is).

Tom Tancredo's position on immigration is the exact same position the party platform has held for 120 years. It didn't change. The only thing that changed is idiot RINOs started calling it "extremist" because THEY want to change the platform so they can pander to immigrants like the Dems do. Sorry. The Republican Party supports reasonable amounts of legal immigrats who believe in American values and want to assimulate. We do NOT "welcome" every forienger here on demand.

97 posted on 06/25/2003 11:21:12 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: JohnnyZ
>> That would be . . . NO. But by social conservative I'm talking gay marriage, etc. There ain't no Hispanic of any kind who wants that kind of crap <<

Evidentially you've read any of the voting records of 90% of the "hispanics" in Congress then. Here in Illinois, we have Luis Guiterrez (previous mentioned in this thread), who is very much in favor of that...along with abortion, gun control, and any other socially LIBERAL position you can think of us.

His hispanic consitutents (which make up 70% of the district), had the choice of selecting a more "moderate" (although also pro-abortion) hispanic RAT in the primary-- Marty Castro. He got about 33% of the vote. They then had the chance of electing a socially CONSERVATIVE hispanic REPUBLICAN in the general election-- Tony Lopez-Cisneros. He got about 18% of the vote from your "socially conservative" hispanics.

The same story can repeated in virtually every majority hispanic district in the country. Even if you assume they'll all Democrats, how come they NEVER select "socially conservative" Democrats in the PRIMARY? There are many white DEMOCRAT areas in the south and midwest that pick socially conservative/fiscally liberal candidates, my region is one of them. But most "hispanics" choose candidates like Bob Menendez, Jose Serrano, Loretta Sanchez, Raul Grijalva, Ruben Hinojosa, Luis Guiterrez, etc., etc. Kinda funny why they'd want to nominate someone 180o degrees from their "socially conservative beliefs", eh?

And speaking of "no hispanic of any kind who wants that kind of crap", have you read up on the many marxist "hispanic" governments in other countries yet? Mexico's so liberal than the "conservative" party wins and their "leader" still runs around caring MORE about the lives of convicted killers than unborn children. Hmmm.

They ARE socially conservative Hispanics, but they are a minority among hispanics and the vast majority of them are middle class Americans who have been here at least 3 generations. The GOP is NOT going to magically win the votes of a typical "hispanic" voter.

98 posted on 06/26/2003 12:00:10 AM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: Pubbie
This article is from April 2002! Man, why so old?!

Anyway, while I strongly oppose illegal immigration, I still believe that staticians are overthinking the Hispanic groups. I think that analyzing this group has not been succesful. For one thing, it's a group that considers itself white and Hispanic at the same time. And exit polls only allow you to be white or Hispanic. So, how in the world are we supposed to know what's happening in counties where whites and Hispanics are combined together?

Personally, I believe that, while illegal immigration is a problem, the Hispanic Democratic voting trends are exaggerated, and this could help explain why the Texas GOP did so well in 2002.

99 posted on 06/26/2003 12:35:16 AM PDT by No Dems 2004
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To: JohnnyZ
About "economic opportunity"...

Will anyone lose out?
100 posted on 06/26/2003 12:35:25 AM PDT by A.J.Armitage (Christ died for the ungodly.)
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