Reprimands and Consequences at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University

Liberty University ^ | 6/2003 | Liberty University

[Moose4]

I don't think you're giving the grads enough credit for having the brains to see the difference between the strict rules they lived under and the rest of the "real world." By that logic, grads of the anything-goes public colleges we have today would be incapable of exercising leadership at all, yet many do and do it well.

Those kids want to go to a school where Christ is put front and center. Are they overly legalistic? Yeah. Do they sometimes lose their view of their Savior for the forest of rules in their way? Possibly. But it's still providing the Christ-centered education that these students and their parents want. And the rules provide structure and discipline that some of those kids probably need.

The LU grads I've known have been no better- and no worse-adjusted than the grads from the public university I attended.

}:-)4

[amused]

Yikes....I would have been locked in a high tower after my first 3 days in college.

[Tamar1973]

I ask you (and the other christians here mocking Liberty's rules)to consider the following before making any more sacrastic comments.

1 Tim. 2:9,10: "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works."

1 Peter 3:1-5: 1 Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, 2when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. 3Do not let your adornment be merely outward--arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel-- 4rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. 5For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands,

Christian women should not dress to be sexually stimulating to the opposite sex.

Proverbs 7:10: And there a woman met him, With the attire of a harlot, and a crafty heart.

Ultimately, if you don't feel you can live up to these standards, don't criticise those who can. They are not being "legalistic", they are trying to teach their students that even though we are saved by grace, we still keep the law because we love Messiah

Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Again in Romans 6:1 "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

[bluecollarman]

First...Liberty and most Christian Colleges are geared for people who want to continue in the ministry in some way. So it is not for everybody.

I am sure that the world is much better off with more abortion, rap music, Drugs, gay rights and whatever. The way you want it I guess.

The point is...everybody draws lines. Why do you care where Falwell draws his? His influence is mostly at Lynchburg, just don't go there.

I guess you dislike Franklin Grahamn for the same reasons. I got news for all of you on this board downing Falwell. Anyone who tries to live a good moral life will be held up for ridicule. I am sorry, but the bible is not out of date now nor will it ever be in the future.

Jesus said above all love thy neighbor as thyself. If Christians would do more of this, especially towards other Christians, things would be a whole lot better.

These liberty folks are not your enemy.

[Theo]

Nice picture. Didn't he die from a drug overdose?

[MineralMan]

"By that logic, grads of the anything-goes public colleges we have today would be incapable of exercising leadership at all, yet many do and do it well. "

Not at all. Normal, secular universities and colleges support a wide range of behaviors. Yes, there are drunken frat boys and dopers at these schools. I wouldn't hire them, either. But...there are also serious students who are there to learn and who take part in activities in their schools which helps train them as leaders.

Not everyone at a public university is an idiot. However, everyone at LU is a person who can exist, and thrive, in an autocratic rules-based society. Every one. And I would have no room for such folks in any organization I ran. I'd be looking for the creativity and flexibility that is absolutely essential to successful business.

You won't find either at LU. It's actively discouraged. Have you ever been on campus at one of these schools for more than a few hours? It's incredibly stifling.

I have. I attended a "Christian" college for one semester, back in the 60s. It had all those silly rules, and then some. I didn't break any. I didn't get in trouble. I just left, since I couldn't see any value in such an education for four years.

I went on to a California public University, where I graduated with honors and have made excellent use of the education I got there. I wasn't wild. I wasn't drunk. I went there, studied, graduated, then went on with a successful life.

All you'll get from LU or BJU or any of the repressive "Christian" colleges is training to become an autocrat. Not much call for those in the real world.

[John Beresford Tipton]

"Didn't he die from a drug overdose?"

I believe he did,
just like the followers of Jim Jones, another nut

[Tacis]

We are talking one extreme evil doer here!

On the other hand, this could be a really great school to attend. It sounds like this guy was having a good time and getting some action. Forty years later, he's got a log sheet. Adding a little detail from memory, he can tell his kids and grandchildren chapter and verse in response to "What did you do in college?"

What have I got? I think she was a secretary or a nurse that I picked up at the Beta house and, no, I don't remember what I was drinking. Who was that driving his motorcycle in the fraternity house? No, there is a lot to be said for the University providing a detailed, annotated, and certified log of your undergraduate transgressions along with a diploma. Imagine the shame of getting a blank piece of paper.

[bluecollarman]

"It's simple. Authoritarian leadership is useless where innovation and creativity are required"

That is a flat out un-truth.

Some of the most creative people in history lived in ruthless, repressive societies or worked for a much stricter than now Church.


Your opinion is only that, don't try to pass it off as fact.

[Theo]

Why are you so vocal in your damnation of the school's rules, and have such a mocking attitude toward Christians? Why not just a comment or two and then read another thread on FR? Makes me wonder if you're just against "rules" altogether, against those who believe there's a Rulemaker and who try to honor Him....

Why not spend some time on the thread discussion the centrifuge they found in Iraq?

[MineralMan]

"Your opinion is only that, don't try to pass it off as fact."

Everything I write, unless I place it in quotes, is my opinion. There are few "facts" that we'll all agree on. I base my opinion, however, on my life experience and education, along with research, when needed.

You're free to accept or reject my opinion at any time. I will continue to have one, however. You will notice that I said that _I_ would not hire such a person. It's all opinion.

[MineralMan]

"Why not spend some time on the thread discussion the centrifuge they found in Iraq?"

While I'm sure your correspondent will take due notice of your advice, he's also free to comment on this subject as well. So are you, of course.

[bluecollarman]

"You're free to accept or reject my opinion at any time. I will continue to have one"

Well..okay, but it is my opinion that your opinion is a poorly reasoned one.

[Theo]

Jim Jones was a nut. Yes. Not sure if you're trying to associate Jim Jones with Falwell. That'd be pretty sloppy reasoning if you were....

[MineralMan]

"Well..okay, but it is my opinion that your opinion is a poorly reasoned one."

OK.

[Sci Fi Guy]

They seem very similar to the rules at the Christian college that I attended. It's really funny reading the posts of those who are threatened by the idea of college students choosing a disciplined enviroment in which to go to school.

[MineralMan]

"Jim Jones was a nut. Yes. Not sure if you're trying to associate Jim Jones with Falwell. That'd be pretty sloppy reasoning if you were...."

Hmm...Aside from the whole death koolaid thing, I think you could draw lots of parallels between the two.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Some of the most creative people in history lived in ruthless, repressive societies or worked for a much stricter than now Church.

You'll never find anyone who was creative at anything but autocracy and torture who worked diligently for a "much stricter than now" Church.

And as for those who were creative in repressive societies? Your Jeopardy bonus question is on who was coming up with the rules oppressing them....

[Theo]

It's really funny reading the posts of those who are threatened ...

You're right. The most vocal ones are the most threatened. Really a strange phenomenon....

[Theo]

Are you calling Handel uncreative? You're calling Bach uncreative? You're letting your hatred blind you into making bizarre sweeping generalizations, my friend....