I dare call it treason (SLAMMING LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS BUT GOOD) (Ann Coulter)

World Net Daily ^ | 6/25/2003 | Ann Coulter

[BlackVeil]

I think that there was a lot of injustice in the McCarthy era, and irrational bullying, but the problem is that it is always seen "on its own" - no context at all. When you look at the post-war situation, with what dissidents were suffering in the Eastern Block, and Hungary in 1956 etc., you realise how mild McCarthy's campaigns were, and many of the concerns were quite valid.

Those who were targetted (fairly or unfairly) by the Red Scare in America, often just moved on, and had distinguished careers in some other field of work. Their Polish and Hungarian compatriots were taken outside and shot.

[Zipporah]

I sent you freep mail about the Venona Project. It is referenced in this body of the text.

[Zipporah]

You should search the Verona Project.. pretty much vindicated McCarthy.

[tuna_battle_slight_return]

Good God, Ann is ugly. <\sarcasm>

[Vision Thing]

I agree that that is her intended point. I'm just saying it (McCarthyism) is such an entrenched belief that it is hard to immediately disbelieve. It doesn't help that I wasn't alive in the 50s to know what actually happened.

It sounds like your mind is already closed to the possibility that McCarthyism is a myth.

Maybe you really want to believe that McCarthyism was bad.

If so, the liberal myth-making machine has really done a number on you, from the day that you were born.

[JRandomFreeper]

is such an entrenched belief that it is hard to immediately disbelieve.

Like a flat earth, or vampires, or socialism, or other proveably false beliefs? It's not about subjective belief. It's about objective evidence and facts.

/john

[anncoulteriscool]

I bought Miss Coulter's book tonight at Bordors. It was 30% off and I gotta give Borders some credit it was right at the very front of the bookstore. Oh sure I could have bought it online but then I would have missed the expression on the face of the cashier as I pay for the book. LOL!....My one complaint about Slander and treason is that there are no pictures. BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[anncoulteriscool]

I think the major point trying to be made (by Mona Charon sp? as well) is that McCarthyism has basically become a restraining oder against conservatives ever criticizing liberals opinions regarding foreign policy issues.

[tuna_battle_slight_return]

"In 1995, the U.S. government released its cache of Soviet cables that had been decoded during the Cold War in a top-secret undertaking known as the Venona Project."

For those interested on the Venona Project, refer to this week's Weekly Standard article

"The Origins of McCarthyism: What did Harry Truman know, and when did he know it?"

[nutmeg]

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[Skywalk]

That's a GREAT picture of her.

I normally take the "I'd do her, but she ain't as hot as some of you FReepers make her out to be" just as I do with Anna Kournikova, but if she more often resembled that pic I'd change my tune.

But give me Lauren Green, Eccleston, Dari Alexander, Kieran Chetry, even Linda Chavez lol!

[anncoulteriscool]

****Has any newspaper reviewed this book? It would be interesting to see what the NYT says about it....****

NYT will wait till it sells alot to review it, then they will say it is a "surprise" best seller. LOL!

[VOA]

Forgive me if I don't immediately believe that McCarthyism was a completely
noble time for our country...

That is what I used to think. In my extended family there was a "crazy aunt" who
kept telling people that there actually was a Communist conspiracy, including
infiltration of the US government by numerous Communist agents/sympathizers.

Even though we were deep in the heart of the Bible Belt and the conservative South,
as well probably voting Republican about 80% of the time, we all kind of smiled and said
"Yes, Auntie, it's a shame there are a bunch of gawd-less Communists in our guvmint..."
In other words, we humored the venerable loved one.


Imagine my SHOCK to have Auntie's paranoia confirmed by the most unlikely source...
The Public Broadcasting Service (PBS).

After watching their special airing of NOVA titled "Secret, Lies and Atomic
Spies"...with the report that there had been HUNDREDS of Communist agents/sympathizers in the
US guvmint during the Cold War...
AND...
that while McCarthy had been wrong in the people he'd pointed the finger at for the most
part...he was 200% correct about the infiltration of the US government by the Communists.

To hear this from PBS momentarily made me think about calling an ambulance for
a ride to the hospital to see if I'd had a stroke or my Coca-Cola had been spiked with LSD.
You can check out the website for that episode at:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/

Another important point of the show was that McCarthy was hamstrung because the
FBI and other guvmint agencies knew about the problem...but wouldn't share
information with Senators or others because they didn't want to jeopordize future prosecutions.

Perhaps the really chilling part of the PBS special?
The unrepentant confessions of an American who spied for the Soviets for
atomic secrets.
Watch that @$$hole and his wife and see two old, evil animals.

Whoops, there I go again...being judgemental about people who'd like to have
nuked us in the name of their "workers paradise".

Cael, as for the vagueness of some of Coulter's claims, here is my take from
having her on yesterday's Michael Medved Show. She begged for ANYONE to name
someone who was falsely accused by McCarthy and whose life was ruined by McCarthy.

Now, that's my best recollection of her challenge. Thus, as soon as you hear someone
on the evening news or one of the "news magazine" shows on TV showing that they or someone
they knew was:
1. Not a member/sympathizer of The Communist Party (of whatever country)
AND
2. Suffered professional/financially because they'd been named by McCarthy...
then you'll know that Ms. Coulter (despite all her brains) has maybe
"gone a bridge too far" in her claims.

Stay tuned...this could get REALLY interesting.

[JoeSchem]

I still cringe at Ken Starr. Didn't he turn treason into a plump, horny intern?

I think I know where you're coming from. Clinton and the Bernie Schwarz connection, giving ICBM technology to China in exchange for Democratic Party campaign donations . . . and all Starr could report about was examples of Clinton's oral sex with Monica. And didn't he pocket millions of dollars in legal fees for doing nothing more than having someone transcribe Linda Tripp's tape recordings?

If the liberals want to hound Starr, I've got something else to care about!

[Loyal Buckeye]

The book, Before the Storm, which is about Goldwater and his transformation of the Republican party, mentions that Goldwater and McCarthy were very close. To me, this reinforces that McCarthy is not who he is portrayed to be. No politician was more patriotic than Goldwater.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[William Tell]

JoeSchem said: "... and all Starr could report about was examples of Clinton's oral sex with Monica."

I thought that Clinton committed perjury before the grand jury and was involved in a conspiracy to obstruct justice in the Paula Jones case by suborning perjury and hiding evidence. This should have been more than enough for conviction in the Senate.

[JRandomFreeper]

No politician was more patriotic than Goldwater.

Maybe LeMay. But he was an amateur operater that could work cw at 15 wpm also.

Think about LeMay with a President Goldwater. The cold war would have ended in 1956.

/john

[DPB101]

From a dialogue at the University of Delaware earlier this year:

Former CIA and KGB agents share inside look at espionage

. . .Kalugin’s speech centered on KGB methodology and ideology. He said during the Cold War, the Soviet government was focused on the United States as its number-one enemy. The KGB received solid support from the government, which asked no moral questions about the KGB’s actions and policies.

“We conducted a clandestine war with assassination if necessary,” he said. “Our mission was to do everything we could to have a war without the fighting. This was seen as amoral in America, but it was our ideology.” . . .

Kalugin said one of his most effective spying techniques was pitting American citizens against their own government.

“We appealed to pacifists and told them, ‘You cannot have peace unless you stop the internal situation of the U.S.,’” he said. “We got environmentalists and told them, ‘Capitalists spend any amount of money even if it does destroy your precious nature.’ Well, at the time, the Soviet Union was the most polluted country in the world,” he joked.

Kalugin listed several astonishing facts from a classified KGB report, proving just how much the organization is committed to counterintelligence. He said that in 1981 the KGB reported that they had funded or supported 70 books, 66 feature and documentary films, more than 100 television stations, 4,865 articles in magazines or newspapers, 300 conferences or exhibitions and 170,000 lectures around the world . . .continued

U.S. Senate. 1997. REPORT of the COMMISSION ON PROTECTING AND REDUCING GOVERNMENT SECRECY (Chairman Daniel Patrick Moynihan):

(John) Reed was a Soviet agent. On January 22, 1920, he received from the Comintern gold, jewels, and other valuables worth 1,008,000 rubles (over $1 million US) for Party work in the United States. The United States Government did not know this. It has only just been discovered in Soviet archives. (That and much more.) For the next seven decades the United States Government would be the object of a sustained Soviet campaign of infiltration and subversion . . .continued

America was subverted. And Democrats were (and are) the subversives.