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An American empire built on deception (Puke Level Orange)
Boston Globe ^ | Ellen Goodman

Posted on 06/26/2003 4:47:32 AM PDT by Lance Romance

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:12 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

AST MONTH, when President Bush donned his coronation clothes and landed on the deck of the Abraham Lincoln, I felt like the skunk at the victory party. I went around asking the partygoers: Where were the weapons of mass destruction?


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So we don't know whether there are WMDs. But more important, we still don't know the real reasons why Bush went to war and why he thought those reasons wouldn't ''sell.''

Anyone have any idea what she is talking about. This article basically meanders through several lines of incomplete thoughts only to end up at a conclusion that is supported by nothing. Nice job, Ellen.

1 posted on 06/26/2003 4:47:33 AM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: Lance Romance
No idea? She should talk to someone we know who spent time digging through the rubble of the WTC after 9-11. Never again, Goodman. Never again.
2 posted on 06/26/2003 4:49:47 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Lance Romance
I felt like the skunk at the victory party

Good self-assesment if you ask me.

3 posted on 06/26/2003 4:53:28 AM PDT by trebb
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To: Lance Romance
I could only get through about three paragraphs of this. Goodman has been trying to get re-oriented since her heyday of about 25 years ago. A decaying holdover from the Steinem/Friedan/Millet era of butch feminism. Irrelevant to the real world.
4 posted on 06/26/2003 4:58:16 AM PDT by speedy
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To: Lance Romance
bump
5 posted on 06/26/2003 4:58:50 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: mewzilla
No idea? She should talk to someone we know who spent time digging through the rubble of the WTC after 9-11. Never again, Goodman. Never again.

Iraq was not involved in 11 September; even the Bush Adminstration has quit claiming this, although it is amazing how many people think Iraq was involved.

6 posted on 06/26/2003 5:06:29 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Lance Romance
The real lie is that the administration didn't (dare?) make its essential case for war. And the real shame is not that we were conned but that, so far, we don't mind.

What an imbecilic statement. After Eight years of deception, fraud, and lies all the while this prude looked the other way now she thinks she's going to turn around and foist her BS on an Honest President.

All that's going on here is the American people are sick and tired of the leftwinged media's hyperbolic dissimulation.

Yous Guys did yourself proud in the 90's now your going to pay the price!!!!

7 posted on 06/26/2003 5:13:20 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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Iraq was not involved in 11 September;

a.) the bush admin never said it was b.) we don't know it wasn't...have you seen the story on the iraqi plane-hijacking training center?

8 posted on 06/26/2003 5:14:18 AM PDT by bigghurtt (http://bigghurtt.com)
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To: Cacophonous
A nation will endure as long as the public is educated and has the ability to keep itself informed. Then it will make the right choices in the government it elects. The statistics are not if favor right now.
9 posted on 06/26/2003 5:19:29 AM PDT by meenie
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To: bigghurtt
a.) the bush admin never said it was

That statement is a red herring and you know it. The Bush Administration tried for the longest time to link Saddam and al-qaida. And you yourself implied it with your own statement.

b.) we don't know it wasn't...have you seen the story on the iraqi plane-hijacking training center?

We don't know that a lot of countries weren't involved (Norway, Belize, Australia...); should we bomb every one of them on the suspicion that they might have been involved. Further, we KNEW the Saudis and Chinese were friendly with al-qaida and/or the Taliban. Why didn't we go after them?

10 posted on 06/26/2003 5:22:27 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: meenie
I cannot figure out whether they are sheep or just plain stupid...
11 posted on 06/26/2003 5:23:47 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Lance Romance
Weeks and weeks have gone by and there are STILL people who can't get over the flight suit.

"Scarred by a vision", LOL...
12 posted on 06/26/2003 5:28:16 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Lance Romance
Apart from the usual drivel that constitutes a Goodman column, I would like to make the observation that the women of the left are such a bunch of vile, vicous, embittered, old-before-their-time, negative, smarmy, male-hating, skanks. Goodman is typical of the Dowd-Ivins set. Lord, are these people psychoses-ridden!

Then compare them with our women. We've got Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, Peggy Noonan, et al. These women are upbeat, intelligent, attractive, witty, and have writing ability.

When it comes to the war against the left for the soul of America, we are going to win on horseflesh alone.
13 posted on 06/26/2003 5:30:52 AM PDT by x1stcav ( HOOAHH!)
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Iraq violated the Bush Doctrine. Which part of that didn't you understand?
14 posted on 06/26/2003 5:34:34 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Lance Romance
Trying to emulate Maureen Dowd's style does not make for great journalism.
15 posted on 06/26/2003 5:39:57 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: mewzilla
Describe for me, please, this Bush Doctrine you speak of...
16 posted on 06/26/2003 5:41:25 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Cacophonous
Iraq was not involved in 11 September; even the Bush Adminstration has quit claiming this, although it is amazing how many people think Iraq was involved.

When did the Bush adm. ever claim that Iraq was involved in 911?

The the Rush song goes...Show Don't Tell!!

Rabbits.

17 posted on 06/26/2003 5:42:16 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: hellinahandcart
there are STILL people who can't get over the flight suit.

If Clinton wore a flight suit she'd still be swooning.

But if Clinton rode in on a carrier landing he'd still be wiping his barf off it.

18 posted on 06/26/2003 5:43:01 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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Oh, give me a break. Would you rather have waited for Iraq to pull something off the size of 9-11? What in Hades do you think they were doing at Salman Pak? Pre-emption is fine by me.
19 posted on 06/26/2003 5:44:31 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Cacophonous
The Chinese? They hate the fundamentalists. Time for a little fact-checking.

I don't have that big a problem with Ellen's piece. I don't like being lied to or sold a bill of goods either. But a few caveats are in order.

First of all, one poll that is beaten to death is the one that says Americans thought Iraq was behind the 9-11 hijackings. Has anyone ever seen the question and how it was phrased? There are a lot of ways you could ask that question and get half of those of us who know the "facts" to say yes. Here's one: Saddam has been accused of supporting and harboring terrorists. Do you believe there could be a link between Saddam and the September 11 terrorists?

I think it's also important to point out that one great motivation for removing Saddam is the removal of a threat to world energy supplies. Exactly how would Ellen suggest we "sell" that as motivation when we all know exactly how the world "peace" movement would respond? Of course, they all walk to work so they are above this fray, right?

Finally, the War on Terror inevitably had to lead here. We had to get out of Saudi Arabia so that we could return should they be found to perpetrate another terrorist act. If the terror scum have as prime motivation our presence in SA, then only the removal of that presence with the threat of a noisy return will dissuade further terrorism against the U.S.

But we could not allow the Wahabbists the opportunity to control world energy supplies. In my view a master stroke, but as inevitable as rain.

20 posted on 06/26/2003 5:45:03 AM PDT by big gray tabby
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