imho, our nation has succeeded exactly to the extent that it has turned its back on chirst's teachings. are the neocons hawks, with their 12 step plan for american dominance of the 21st century world mostly through military means, are they your idea of good christians?
That is to say, people like you can only live humanist lives to the extent that you allow the bulk of society to remain Christian.
right - care to tell me just how i depend on you good christians for this so-called "humanist" life i am living?
i work, pay taxes, raise children, and obey the law just like everybody else. all i said is that i don't view lifelong celibacy as a badge on honor. extreme self denial is no less self-centered than gluttony.