[Jorge]

Scalia's dissent is absolutely devastating, an epitaph for Christian civilization.

Too much. Enough of the drama queen hysteria over this decision.

The fact is most sodomy laws have been removed from the books or struck down by the courts in most states FOR YEARS now.

The great majority of Americans oppose any laws that have sex police attempting to prohibit acts of adultery, homosexuality etc between consenting adults in the privacy of their homes.

Even most Christians who believe such acts are immoral do not support formation of the sort of fundamentalist Muslim-like state that stones gays and shoots women in the head in soccer stadiums for acts of unfaithfulness.

Truthfully, your obsession with what homosexuals are doing is not shared by most Christians... let alone the general public.

Furthermore, most are disgusted with the double standards of those who want to enforce sodomy laws against gays, but not heterosexuals. People can see through the hypocrisy.

[mfreddy]

Would you like to see legal homosexual marriage?

[Polycarp]

Enough of the drama queen hysteria over this decision.

Typical, Jorge. We can always count on you to spout the homo agenda.

[Polycarp]

Truthfully, your obsession with what homosexuals are doing is not shared by most Christians... let alone the general public.

As a homosexual apologist, jorge, you sure as hell do not speak for most true Christians.

Blather on all you want.

[Arkinsaw]

Too much. Enough of the drama queen hysteria over this decision.

BUT, rather than allow those laws to be repealed democratically by the representatives of the people this court determined to overthrow them in one fell swoop because they were impatient with the American people's speed in accepting the agenda OR they were afraid that their arguments were losing the democratic debate.

Repeal by legislature does not set precedent. Outcome based court rulings do. THAT is what the hysteria is over and its valid.

This ruling will be used as precedent to leverage (and force) other social change that the American people have not reached a democratic conclusion on.

Who knows what the American people will determine, they may determine to repeal or create new laws to address the concerns of these groups. They may determine that the concerns of these groups do not fit in American life. Either way its a democratic decision and people generally learn to accept those decisions. But decisions by the Supreme Court that short-circuit the decision-making process of the American people causes friction, anger, social unrest, factionalism, demagoguery, hardening of attitudes, etc.

If abortion had been voted on by a majority and enacted by the people then many people would not like it but they would not have felt that they were tyrannized by elites and special interests and the debate on the issue would be of a more democratic nature, probably on a state by state basis as it should be.

Judicial activism and social engineering by the Supreme Court outside the democratic process does not advance us. It is a bandaid for social problems. It creates a mandate and not a solution. Thats what the hysteria is about.

[Theophilus]

You've fallen prey to the "it's about sex" line. The problem with the ruling is that liberals constantly and consistantly legislate from the bench. They read into the constitution what is not there and ignore what is. They are usurping power from the States and from the people those states represent.

[WOSG]

"Even most Christians who believe such acts are immoral do not support formation of the sort of fundamentalist Muslim-like state that stones gays"

you mention 'drama queen' hysteria and you say THIS???!?

um, do you have a clue as to the actual punishment in this unenforced law?

[Helms]

"Scalia's dissent is absolutely devastating, an epitaph for Christian civilization."

Whoa! wait a minute here." Christian civilization" was last seen during the somewhat dark and "Middle Ages".

The Renaissance, with Erasmus, Pico de la Mirandola, Thomas Moore and a host of others rediscovered and advanced what we must still proudly call "Western Civilization"

Since that time we have not been a Christian Civilization but a proud Western Civilization which has accelerated Science, Philosophy and Arts.

Where we are at now, however is another matter that needs to be addressed. The passive nihilism and decadence of our culture presently can should and must be addressed without longing for "Return"

[ninenot]

Ahh, yes. Polycarp has campaigned for YEARS that all adulterers, fornicators, and abortion-providers should be SHOT at STADIUMS as paid sporting events following convictions.

Further, he has campaigned for removal of all locks from all doors so that he and his fellow travelers could simply walk into private residences and observe sexual activity.

Get a life, Jorge. Take your meds and work at DU.

[shhrubbery!]

The fact is most sodomy laws have been removed from the books or struck down by the courts in most states FOR YEARS now.

You've completely missed the constitutional point. Or rather, you're making the point for the side you oppose.

Under the system of federalism, states' legislatures make (and repeal) laws, not the Supreme Court. If Vermont voters want to legalize sodomy --and apparently a majority of them did-- then fine. Do it. But don't ram it down the throats of Texans. Or Utahns. Or Nebraskans.

But that's precisely what the Supreme Court has done.

Even most Christians who believe such acts are immoral do not support formation of the sort of fundamentalist Muslim-like state that stones gays and shoots women in the head in soccer stadiums for acts of unfaithfulness.

Who's talking about establishing a fundamentalist state? Only you.

Furthermore, most are disgusted with the double standards of those who want to enforce sodomy laws against gays, but not heterosexuals.

Many laws are meant to be reflections the standards of the community. They were never intended to be "enforced" by police barging into peoples' bedrooms. Most of the arrests that brought about cases of this nature, e.g. Griswold and Bowers, were set-ups by liberals who wanted to foist their unpopular opinions on the rest of us via the courts -- i.e., by fiat, because they knew they couldn't get their way democratically. Lawrence reeks of the same kind of set-up too.