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Scouts' gay stance clouds use of land
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 6/30/03 | Linda K. Harris and Miriam Hill

Posted on 06/30/2003 10:50:54 AM PDT by RonF

For more than three-quarters of a century, a local Boy Scout council has enjoyed the free use of city land for its headquarters at 22d and Winter Streets in Philadelphia. Now city politicians and gay civil rights activists - in light of the Scouts' rigid anti-gay stance - are raising questions about that arrangement.

"We should be prepared to do something," said Councilman Frank DiCicco, whose district includes areas of Center City. "We should begin taxing them on that land or giving them notice that they should move on." Councilman Darrell L. Clarke also expressed concern. "If there's discriminatory practices in the facility, it shouldn't matter if it's free or if there's rent," Clarke said. "There could be some possibility of rethinking our lease-term arrangements if they're not in compliance with our policy" of nondiscrimination.

In 1928, the Philadelphia City Council voted in favor of letting the Philadelphia Boy Scouts use rent-free nearly half an acre of land "in perpetuity." The Boy Scouts intended to build a new headquarters and a year later, it was complete. The Boy Scout Resource Center, as the building is called, is an imposing building of light-colored stone. In front of it stands a life-size statue of a Boy Scout, and above the large wooden door, the Boy Scout oath is inscribed: "On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the scout law."

The questions arise because of the city's prohibition against discrimination based on sexual orientation. The prohibition is part of the city's Fair Practices Ordinance, which was passed in 1982 by City Council. In 2002, in a bill introduced by DiCicco, council added sexual identity, which affects transsexuals, to the list. A spokeswoman for the mayor said Friday that the administration was studying the issue of what to do with the property. "The mayor has asked us to look at the 1928 agreement and see how it squares up with or is in opposition to the Fair Practices Ordinance," said Barbara Grant, the mayor's spokeswoman. "We're not sure how the law applies here, and we want to take a look at that before we take a position here."

William T. Dwyer III, scout executive for the Cradle of Liberty Council, the local governing body for scouts in Philadelphia, Delaware County, and Montgomery County, declined comment on the issue. "I'm fairly new here and don't know much about the arrangement," he said.

Malcolm Lazin, executive director of Equality Forum, an international gay civil rights group based in Philadelphia, was firm in his belief that the city should take some action. "Here public land, and extremely valuable public land, is being provided without charge," said Malcolm Lazin, executive director of Equality Forum, an international gay civil rights group based in Philadelphia. "If the city is making that kind of donation, the Cradle of Liberty Council should be operating within the guidelines of the human relations code." Stacey L. Sobel, executive director of Philadelphia's Center for Lesbian and Gay Civil Rights, said the center is in the process of reviewing the city's Fair Practices Ordinance, which, as she pointed out, forbids a group from invoking "its private character for the purpose of excluding or discriminating."

"At this time, we're not sure of the full ramifications of this language upon the Boy Scouts," Sobel said.

In May, the Cradle of Liberty Council, in defiance of the Boy Scouts of America's national policy, voted to end discrimination against gays. The move was, in part, an attempt to save the yearly grants of more than $400,000 from the United Way of Southeastern Pennsylvania. Many United Way donors were concerned that United Way funds were going to an organization that openly discriminated against gays. The Cradle of Liberty Council already had lost major grants from other local foundations, including the Pew Charitable Trusts, the William Penn Foundation and the Philadelphia Foundation because of the policy of discriminating against gays. But soon after the decision to end discrimination became public, the national organization threatened to revoke the local council's charter and replace the board. The council rescinded its new antidiscrimination policy shortly thereafter.

[The] Boy Scouts of America [has] been able to legally defend [its] position of discriminating against gays. In June 2000, a divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled, in the case of a New Jersey assistant scoutmaster who was expelled for being gay, that the Boy Scouts had the right to bar homosexuals as troop leaders.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; gays; homosexuals; scouting; scouts
Apparently the fact that the City of Philadelphia entered into an agreement with the BSA means nothing to the people named in the above article. City and contract law is a minor detail to be brushed aside in their persecution of the BSA.
1 posted on 06/30/2003 10:50:54 AM PDT by RonF
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2 posted on 06/30/2003 10:52:17 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
In 1928, the Philadelphia City Council voted in favor of letting the Philadelphia Boy Scouts use rent-free nearly half an acre of land "in perpetuity."
There's nothing ambiguous about "in perpetuity."
3 posted on 06/30/2003 10:59:02 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: RonF
In 1928, the Philadelphia City Council voted in favor of letting the Philadelphia Boy Scouts use rent-free nearly half an acre of land "in perpetuity." (I don't think forever has come yet!)
4 posted on 06/30/2003 11:02:42 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Freedom is not Free - Support the Troops!)
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To: eastsider
Don't forget --- It all depended on what the meaning of "is" IS!

Thank you bill and all other LAWYERS!
5 posted on 06/30/2003 11:05:29 AM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: RonF
Thank you O'Connor, Kennedy and others of your ilk on the Supreme Court.(sarc) You've made law illegally and now we see the beginnings of the repercussions.
6 posted on 06/30/2003 11:12:55 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: RonF
I think this only becomes an issue with FEDERAL LANDS. ANy city coucil can vote to let the Scouts stay. If they dont, well, they are prbably all homos and should be voted out.
7 posted on 06/30/2003 11:13:53 AM PDT by Roughneck (Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

"In 1928, the Philadelphia City Council voted in favor of letting the Philadelphia Boy Scouts use rent-free nearly half an acre of land "in perpetuity." (I don't think forever has come yet!) "


Me Thinks the Scouts might have a good lawsuit here - on THEIR side!
8 posted on 06/30/2003 11:15:31 AM PDT by Roughneck (Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
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To: steplock
"And in a related development, Councilman Frank Disicko has proposed renaming the Boy Scouts to 'Scouts for Boys'"
9 posted on 06/30/2003 11:16:01 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: RonF
Contracts and treaties with governments are only honored as long as the government sees it to their advantage. Just ask the Indians.
10 posted on 06/30/2003 11:18:10 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: RonF
In perpetuity and "ex post facto" come to mind. Not to mention a "bill of attainder" that legislatively punishes the Scouts for a perfectly legal policy. The queers have been trying to attack the Scout facilities in Balboa Park (San Diego) using the same excuse for many years.
11 posted on 06/30/2003 11:28:37 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: eastsider
'Scouts for Boys'

and scouts being....???? The homosexual pedophiles out on a scouting mission?

Philadelphia's BSA is under heavy attack!! Do the papers up there show OUTRAGE or are they FOR turning the Boy Scouts into NAMBLA's prime menu?
12 posted on 06/30/2003 11:37:16 AM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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Do the papers up there show OUTRAGE or are they FOR turning the Boy Scouts into NAMBLA's prime menu?

The latter. According to a Philadelphia Daily News editorial:

we can't help being disturbed by similarities between the Afghan fundamentalist group and the homophobic American shapers of youth

The editorial goes on and on about the alleged similarities between the Taliban and the BSA. Apparently being stoned to death for being homosexual, and not being allowed to be a scoutmaster, are quite similar penalties.

13 posted on 06/30/2003 6:53:10 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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