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To: Miss Marple
"Whether you are disgruntled third-party types or DNC test marketers, your goal is the same."

I am sure you like to tell yourself this and believe it. Surely no die hard conservative could question the conservative credentials of GWB nor question the direction he is taking the nation and the party in.

Well your wrong, and it is not I nor any other "Bush basher" that divided the conservative base. Wasn't it Carl Rove that invited conservatives in California to leave the big new socialist republican tent if they didn't like the leftward leap of the Republican Party? It wasn't me who said it, it wasn't you who said it. And I refuse to take the blame for anothers actions.

You cannot sit there an deny that Bush has kidnapped the Republican party on a wild socialist ride left. So stop blaming the victims for daring to complain, I thought only rats, rapists and the judical system did that.

45 posted on 06/30/2003 7:37:06 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Go right ahead with your ranting. Regardless of whether you are truly a conservative or merely playing one on the internet, the fact is that Bush has a huge base who supports him. No matter how you try to portray it here, the facts are otherwise.

And as far as California goes, I am smart enough to know that there are so many competing factions that nothing about what has transpired is unaffected by the factional competition.

46 posted on 06/30/2003 7:41:15 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: MissAmericanPie
Tell it loud and clear........the truth as in your post!
48 posted on 06/30/2003 7:42:25 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Wasn't it Carl Rove


Who is this "Carl Rove" you as a 4th generation Texan keep talking about?
52 posted on 06/30/2003 7:45:16 PM PDT by deport ( BUSH/CHENEY 2004...... with or without the showboy)
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To: MissAmericanPie
"You cannot sit there an deny that Bush has kidnapped the Republican party on a wild socialist ride left."

"Wild Socialists" or "liberal Democrats" wouldn't have killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty, but Bush did.

Liberal Democrats wouldn't have pulled the U.S. out of the International Criminal Court, but Bush did.

Liberal Democrats wouldn't have killed the U.S.-CCCP ABM Treaty, but Bush did.

Liberal Democrats wouldn't have gotten the 1st largest and 3rd largest tax cuts in world history passed into law, but Bush did.

Liberal Democrats wouldn't arm pilots or order Aschroft to inform the U.S. Supreme Court that the official U.S. government position is that the 2nd Amendment supports individual rights to bear arms, not group or state rights (soemething that was too Conservative and controversial for even Ronald Reagan to do).

Liberal Democrats wouldn't sign the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, either, but Bush will sign it this very year.

So comparing Bush to "liberal Democrats" or "wild socialists" misses the mark. Your complaint, which is a valid one, is actually that Bush is letting Congress spend too much. Well, that's all fine and well, but someone should simply *say* that, rather than confuse the spending issue with being a "wild socialist".

Once the conversation is accurately focused on Bush letting Congress spend too much, then a real debate can proceed.

What is Bush getting for this spending? Two conservative Supreme Court Justices, one would think (perhaps even three), as the Justices won't survive another 6 years of Bush being in office (and Bush will easily win re-election in 2004 due to his current strategy). Bush also gained the right to fire bad teachers in Ted Kennedy's education reform package, and Bush is getting tort reform passed that immunizes gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits, among others). Bush has carte blanc to re-vamp our military, too.

It's a good bet that Bush will get Social Security privatized in the next 6 years, as well as get school vouchers passed so that the power of the public school teachers' unions will be broken by private schools. Bush is also getting our ABM system installed in Alaska.

These are **historic** achievements, and the history books will marvel at how one politician was able to accomplish so much with the government and nation so evenly divided.

Consider that after 8 full years of Clinton, old Bill still can't point to any positive legislative achievement (of his own). What a contrast between those two Presidents!

But there is a price to be paid. Bush is buying Congressional votes with our tax Dollars.

Lots of Conservatives may have very valid reservations about this price, and that's a fair topic to debate.

But you are calling Bush a wild socialist, while that's clearly not true as no "wild socialist" would sign the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. What you actually mean is that Bush is spending too much of our money.

Well, how much would 30 years of a future *conservative* Supreme Court worth?! The Socialists in the Senate aren't filibustering Bush's judicial picks because they're too far to the Left, I assure you!

How much is protecting our nation from nuclear ICBM's worth?!

How much is it worth to re-vamp our military and kill the Kyoto Treaty?

Let's debate those real issues. What are we willing to pay to achieve these things in a divided nation with a divided Congress?

60 posted on 06/30/2003 7:54:12 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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