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To: Dr Warmoose
I maintain my position that environmentalism is a tool of misanthropes who wish to see the deaths of billions of other people so they can frollic in their utopian gardens alone.

Interesting, thought provoking post. I am convinced that some of them are just what you say, but it seems to me their moves all have an anti-capitalist flavor, manifest themselves as an attack on commerce. Restriction on freon hasn't killed anyone because it's only banned in the US, and here the replacement, R134-A is inferior and has environmental baggage of its own.

Possibly backing up your theory is the fact that socialism has killed millions everywhere it has prevailed.

13 posted on 07/02/2003 10:14:05 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: wayoverontheright
Restriction on freon hasn't killed anyone because it's only banned in the US, and here the replacement, R134-A is inferior and has environmental baggage of its own.

So I have heard. The alternate conspiratorial theory on the domestic banning of Freon, is that DuPont's patent ran out and by coming up with R134, there would be no fear of the US market being filled by cheaper generics. But that must take one heck of a lot of lobbying capital to get Congress or the EPA to enforce a nationwide ban on a particular product, forcing huge costs onto the consumer to replace or upgrade their equipment that wasn't designed for R134. Also, I have heard smugglers getting the 3rd degree for bringing in Freon. Marijuana? Share some with the Customs agent and go on. Cocaine? Some major grease and maybe even a slap on the wrist. Illegal aliens? Who is noticing? Apricot Seeds or Freon? Go Diretly to Jail. Do Not Pass Go. Do Not Collect $200.

Doesn't R134-A get classified as a carcinogen? And doesn't it operate less efficiently therefore requiring more energy expenditure in order to produce the same level of cooling benefit? And doesn't it eat the heck out of tradition refrigeration equipment seals and fittings? Exactly how did these bad things get past the EPA where as the heavier than air Freon got accused of flying directly over Antartica (defying all known global air circulation patterns) and creating this massive hole in the ozone that mysteriously closed up when the Sun's path was north of the equator?

Possibly backing up your theory is the fact that socialism has killed millions everywhere it has prevailed.

I look at the bigger picture and view it as a cosmic battle between Good & Evil. (well that is the cartoon description of it). One side is enraptured with the thought of diabolical power that is only enjoyed when it can be used to destroy other people. I can't find any other reason to explain Turd World Tyrannts thrill over torture, Drug Cartel leaders fascination with chainsaws and the human body, and even Torquemada's innovative ways of inflicting the most possible pain on "heretics".

For those who have not reached the upper echelons of despotic power, they have the consolation prize of knowing that their policies have ruined vacations, killed brown people in foreign lands, jacked up the costs of doing business, cause the loss of jobs to countless others, and otherwise leave a long trail of hardship and misery.

Its almost like they revel in trying to outdo each other in inflicting the most panic and disruption in people's lives. Why else would the EPA make a big stink over showers? There were some Chicken Little's in that office, obviously bored and seeking some cheap and perverted thrill to justify their existance who claimed that the chlorine that is found in municipal water supplies (for obvious health reasons) is a carcinogen, and therefore a person who takes a hot shower is risking their lives by merely stepping in and washing their hair. Perhaps they long for the days when people would splash around nude in the fecal and sludge filled waters of the lower Yangtze River.

These environmentalists are sick people, and it is a national tragedy that they are permitted to prey upon innocent lives such as they do.

14 posted on 07/02/2003 4:30:17 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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