Illegals 1 step closer to driver's licenses

World Net Daily ^ | July 1, 2003

[hole_n_one]

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COMING TO AMERICA
Illegals 1 step closer
to driver's licenses
California Assembly committee approves bill on party-line vote

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Posted: July 1, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

California's Assembly Transportation Committee approved a bill yesterday that would allow the state to issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

In a party-line vote of 11-5, Democrats passed the bill over GOP opposition.

"It isn't right to give a person who is here illegally a legal identifying document," said Republican Assemblyman Tim Leslie, according to the Los Angeles Times. "Those two notions are in complete conflict."

Democratic Sen. Gil Cedillo claims his bill, SB 60, would make the state's roads safer since now, about 2 million illegals routinely drive without proper training, testing or car insurance.

According to the Times report, Cedillo also mentioned the licensing of illegal aliens would help law enforcement keep track of drivers in criminal cases because their photos, thumbprints and addresses would be recorded.

The bill now goes to the Assembly Appropriations Committee before being considered on the Assembly floor.

As WorldNetDaily reported, lawmakers on the federal level are debating the wisdom of foreign embassies issuing identification cards to illegal aliens in the U.S. Mexican consulates issue matricula consular cards that then are used by illegals as ID to open bank accounts and for other purposes.

Critics of the cards see many pitfalls, including national-security risks.

"I don't see any issue that is potentially as dangerous to our sovereignty and provides tremendous opportunity for terrorism in this country than this form of documentation,'' said Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., at a recent congressional hearing.

Related story:

Congress takes up ID cards for illegals

[Sunnyvale CA Eng.]

California - a nice place to visit but I wish I didn't live here. This is a done deal - illegals will be given drivers licenses. Another gaping divot in CA's once beautiful facade.

[ntnychik]

Time for the Department of Homeland Security to wise up and get ahead of this and other border security issues. If you haven't read Invasion by Michele Malkin, I highly recommend it.

[Rudder]

Yep, all the really serious criminals who are also illegal aliens will for sure sign up and be fingerprinted and photographed, just to make it easier to be caught should they ever rob a liquor store (again.)

[Texas_Jarhead]

what about motor-voter?

[Kuksool]

The Golden State meltdown continues.

[Libertina]

I understand the point about the illegals driving without insurance & training. But rather than giving them such, DEPORT THEM! Sheesh, what IS it about liberals? Their brains just don't function...

[hole_n_one]

It's fubar

[NewRomeTacitus]

I am utterly ashamed that my state of Tennessee has helped set a precedent that the tax-payers of California will regret. It takes a brand of "Leach-B-Gone" far stronger than methods so far deployed to shore up the drain here (every area cut 10% with kisses & promises for the booboos).
What's up with the Davis recall movement? I keep hearing noise but no news.

[Texas_Jarhead]

right, and all the citizens say BOHICA

[blackbart.223]

"Democratic Sen. Gil Cedillo claims his bill, SB 60, would make the state's roads safer since now, about 2 million illegals routinely drive without proper training, testing or car insurance."

I have a simple solution to this. If they are not here legally, kick their asses out. End of problem.

[c-b 1]

California - a nice place to visit but I wish I didn't live here. This is a done deal - illegals will be given drivers licenses. Another gaping divot in CA's once beautiful facade.

I don't mean to say bad things about your home, but California is not a nice place to visit. My job requires me to spend a day in California, every week to ten days, I hate it more every time I go, I have do disarm myself to go where I am more likely to need to be armed to defend myself.

[snickeroon]

Sorry, This one is NOT just liberals. It seems that there is just a national "conspiracy" if you will, between the desires of the MAJORITY of American citizens and politicians of almost every stripe and state. Personally, I becoming increasingly agitated, annoyed, depressed and angry at the escalating moves made to legitimize ILLEGALS.

Case in point: Over the weekend I am looking at the main advertisement for the "American" burger at a drive-through....and realize that it is in Spanish. Now this is the introductory ad (the ONLY one) for a new product in a DRIVE through...in TN no less, and it is in Spanish. Last I looked, the majority of customers should be reading ads in English....

Next, I am confronted by a request to select my language preference at my ATM, and English is NOT the first choice.... then I open the latest Kroger flyer to find sales in bilingual ads..... in other words, this is a "done deal." and if this is the case, then our nation is done. Period.

[hole_n_one]

right, and all the citizens say BOHICA

I needed NetLingo

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[Carry_Okie]

This is treason to the Constitution.
They should be arrested for violating their oath of office.

[Texas_Jarhead]

sorry, I assumed from your use of FUBAR that you were familiar with military acronyms of which FUBAR is one along with SNAFU etc. BOHICA = bend over here it comes again.

[hole_n_one]

I learned of FUBAR from the movie Tango and Cash with Stallone and Kurt Russell.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

From this page comes the Email addresses for the Transportation Committee

Note that that includes both those who voted for and those who voted against. These three don't have email addresses apparently:

Patty Berg Dem-1 (916) 319-2001
Patricia C. Bates Rep-73 (916) 319-2073
Judy Chu Dem-49 (916) 319-2049

More importantly, here are the emails for the Appropriations Committee, where this bill is headed next: send them email.

These four members of the App. Committee don't have email addresses listed:
Patricia C. Bates, Vice Chair Rep-73 (916) 319-2073
Robert Pacheco Rep-60 (916) 319-2060
Patricia Wiggins Dem-7 (916) 319-2007
Patty Berg Dem-1 (916) 319-2001

Please contact these people and let them know what you think, even if you're outside California.

One thing you might ask them is to explain what Gil Cedillo meant when he offered one of the reasons for this bill: "they were here first." See my discussion of that statement here.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

Apropos of the last post, this is a pretty good letter to Cedillo: http://www.americanpatrol.com/CALIFORNIA/LEGISLATION/AMNESTY/CedilloAJR51_LTR_000430MS.html

"...I've read about your shabby efforts to allow illegals to possess California driver's licenses, and how you've bragged, "We move the union movement deep into the Latino community. We have displaced other work communities -- clothing, hotel and restaurant industries used to be done by Blacks and Anglos. Now we need to organize to be in a position to lead this country! Because of immigration and the birth rate, our population is growing -- Latinos are all over this nation!". It's clear that although you're an American citizen, your true objective is flood this land with every possible warm body with ties to the Atzlan Divide, and increase both their clout and your personal clout. Not very enlightened, virtuous, straight-forward, or patriotic, but nevertheless an effective use of the Truth & Guilt dagger. We've learned from your ilk that truth is no defense when the charge is Ethnic Insensitivity. In fact, the more truth you tell, the more unspeakable your guilt. The reverse is also true which explains all this wampum, "they were here first"..."

[DumpsterDiver]

There was an article in the L.A. Times yesterday (Panel OKs Driver's License Bill) and the last paragraph read:

Cedillo said he also found it to be the height of irony that illegal immigrants who served in the U.S. armed forces could legally operate military fighting vehicles in the war with Iraq, "but they can't drive a car in California."

Of course, the fact that illegal aliens cannot enlist in the military was never corrected by the Times.

[gubamyster]

ping

[heleny]

"I don't see any issue that is potentially as dangerous to our sovereignty and provides tremendous opportunity for terrorism in this country than this form of documentation,'' said Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., at a recent congressional hearing.

SB 60 is more dangerous than last year's AB 60, which Gray Davis vetoed for its lack of security. In this year's SB 60, the aliens don't even have to be in the process of filing papers to legalize their presence. I hope Gray Davis is at least as sane this year as he was last year.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I am utterly ashamed that my state of Tennessee has helped set a precedent that the tax-payers of California will regret.

It's not just Tennessee, states all over the country are now considering this total, complete insanity. This bull sh*t is so out of control.........

Mexico cares less about it's poor citizens when they are in Mexico, but when the crash our borders and enter the US illegally, all of a sudden Mexico is totally concerned with their rights.

As all of our polticians and so-called leaders stand gawking at this lunacy.

[Paulie]

"Sheesh, what IS it about liberals? Their brains just don't function..."

I can see why you say this, but I maintain that their brains DO function properly. The mission is Operation Destroy America, and all efforts are directed toward that end.

One of the reasons (supposedly) we're fighting the Arab terrorists is because they want to destroy our way of life. How ironic. Barely a finger is lifted when the enemy from within works to destroy our way of life.

[Uncle Hal]

If Davis signs this bill it will truly be "Bye, Bye Gray". Most Dems I know are as fed up as I am about the illegal problem.

[Sabertooth]

what about motor-voter?

That's exactly the point. Say hello to turbo-charged voter fraud.

[texastoo]

The drivers license will enable the illegals to cross the border legally. When this bill passes in California, there will be no borders.

[Constantine XIII]

If we decide this is inevitable, we should move to plan B: make it law that drivers licenses aren't proof enough for voting. Then we might actually have an improvement, since a getting a dl will force them to get collision insurance. I have heard that there is a real problem with reckless, uninsured, non-licensed illegals smashing cars and not being able to repay the victim.

[ought-six]

Unbelievable! That moron said that now that the illegals will get driver's licenses they'll go out and buy auto liability insurance! Fat f*****g chance!

[Kuksool]

Atlzan is coming to a neighborhood near you.

[ought-six]

"...and if this is the case, then our nation is done. Period."

Yes, it is. But I refuse to become a Mexican. I will die an American, clasping to my breast the memory of our once great nation, content in the knowledge that I did not surrender. I will fight the good fight, and when I give up the ghost, I will still be an American.

[texastoo]

They will buy the insurance for three months and then drop it. Also, you don't have to own a car to get a drivers license. All you would have to do is borrow a car of someone that has insurance.

[ought-six]

My point is why would someone who is illegal in the first place shell out some money to comply with another legality? They wouldn't.

[texastoo]

The benefits of a drivers license are many. Especially since we use the drivers license as a form of identity as an American.

I agree with you that many won't get a license. However, I think a huge number will. Pressure will be placed on them to vote illegally and they will.

I just can't believe our country has stooped so low for a measley vote.

[rintense]

This is such an outrage.

[SGCOS]

"Si senior, I was doeeng 95 in my Peyote Celica..er..my Toyota Celica Supra."

"But sir, you were on the sidewalk." ......

And what happens when an illegal causes an accident? Nothing to him, but the insured driver gets his rates increased by 30%.

California is sooooo screwed up.

[Tancredo Fan]

I heard the hearing live.... incredible stuff. You can't tell the Dems from the traitorous Mexican colonists in the Assembly. I don't think even Davis is dumb enough to sign this poison pill, or any of the other malarkey that has to do with those phony Mexican ID cards. If he does, he's gone for sure.

[Libertina]

I hope you are wrong...but I understand your reasoning.

[Libertina]

I hate all those things too. :( However, to be honest, I lived in Taiwan for 10 years. When things were in English there, I was happy. But I don't think they felt their culture was in jeopardy - WE weren't voting.

[AmericanInTokyo]

"Dear Assemblyman Cedillo:

I am a resident of your district, a taxpayer and a voter.

I have a hobby of collecting drivers licenses from around the world.

On some of my trips abroad, in some countries, all I had to do was pony up some cash (such as in Mozambique and Tuvalu and Bolivia), and not even as a legal or permanent resident, they nevertheless took my picture and issued me a drivers license on the spot, as long as I paid the fees. (In East Timor, I had to 'baksheesh' the official a little).

Anyway, Assemblyman, one country I really want to get a license from is Mexico. I'll be visiting there in a few weeks. However, well, I am not a legal resident there, I don't have or will not have or apply for a visa or permission to stay in Mexico, nevertheless I would like your strong help to support me so I can obtain a Baja California drivers license for me collection (which I am told might be difficult). Who cares about their stupid rules? We're Americans. At any rate, sir, can you implore the Consulate of Mexico here to waive the legalities and have them grant me a Mexican drivers license, as well as work permit to work in Mexico, and also authorization to be able to invest and buy properties in Mexico outside of the tourist zones? I really need your help to ask the Mexican government to consider my case.

Sincerely,

(whomever would write such a letter)"

[FITZ]

If we decide this is inevitable, we should move to plan B: make it law that drivers licenses aren't proof enough for voting.

Handing people drivers licenses doesn't make them automatically better drivers. It's true that many never got behind a wheel of a car until the came over but if they never had drivers ed, what difference does the drivers license make. They're going to drive either way obviously ----with or without one just like they do now. It's obvious they want the drivers license because they can travel freely with that, all states will recognize them as legitimate residents of California and a drivers license can get them back and forth across the border because that's what proves US residency at the border check points.

If anything ---just let the police accept their Mexican drivers licenses. That is done all along the border ---- you can drive into Mexico with a US license, they don't hand you a Mexican license. They can use their Mexican licenses here too.

[SCalGal]

I honestly don't understand how anyone could think this would make the illegals' driving safer. No one honestly thinks they'll actually carry insurance, either, right?

[SCalGal]

They'll go to someplace where they can buy it by the month, buy one month's worth of insurance and cancel the policy. One month's worth will get them the "proof of insurance" card, and that's all they want.

Actually, maybe that's the next step in document fraud.

[Sabertooth]

Well, we could at least check their IDs before they drink and drive.

[fightu4it]

"California's Assembly Transportation Committee approved a bill yesterday that would allow the state to issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens."

Hummmm, let's see, motor voter + thousands of illegals = an expanded democrat voter base. How conveeeeeeient!

[JDGreen123]

In Tennessee we give licenses to illegals and they do not even have to have insurance. I have heard numerous stories of locals who have been plowed into by illegals only to watch them drive away and leave the local driver paying all repair costs. The police have given up on trying to do anything to the illegals. They say the INS never comes to pick them up and every day an illegal stays in jail just costs the taxpayers more money.

The word is out on Tennessee. Many places no longer accept a Tennessee license as a valid I.D. because of the situation. You may remember the illegal Arabs in Memphis who were implicated in the mysterious death of a DMV employee. One of the men had done work in the WTC in early September 2001. They all had Tennessee licenses. A license can open many doors.

We are getting the double hammer here in our state. Liberals love to push the diversity and register potential voters. On the other side, most of our big businesses love the cheap labor without benefits.

[dagnabbit]

I can't wait until Clinton is out of office so we can fix this problem.

[fightu4it]

"I can't wait until Clinton is out of office so we can fix this problem."

Ouch! That cuts like a knife!

[hattend]

Democratic Sen. Gil Cedillo claims his bill, SB 60, would make the state's roads safer since now, about 2 million illegals routinely drive without proper training, testing or car insurance.

So it's all about getting money into state coffers (Driver's test) and the coffers of the insurance industry.

It has to be because how many illegals are really bitching about not being able to drive? This Cedillo character says 2 million are already on the road.

[TexasCowboy]

This is the tip of the iceberg.
Our trucking industry in Texas is shackled with so many regulations, inspections and registrations that they can barely function and make a profit.
Trucks from Mexico bringing the cheap crap to replace American products travel our highways with impunity, disregarding requirements for brake and running light inspections, emission controls and tire wear monitoring.
When one of these trucks blows a tire or throws a brake lining and runs over an American family and kills them, who are the survivors going to sue? They don't even have insurance!