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Iran's Successful Missile Test Puts Israel Within Range
Ha'aretz ^ | July 04, 2003 | Amir Oren

Posted on 07/03/2003 6:12:02 PM PDT by DoctorZIn

Iran has successfully tested a Shihab-3 missile, which has a range that can reach Israel. The launch last week was the most successful so far of the seven or eight tests of the missile over the last five years, and has increased worries in Washington - which spotted the test with its tracking mechanisms - and in Israel.

If the assessment proves to be true that the missile, which was launched from east to west, had an effective range beyond the 1,300-kilometer red line, meaning the range from western Iran to Israel, the Iranians could position the launching pads for the rocket deeper inside their country.

The Iranian threat will be one of the subjects under discussion when Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon visits the Pentagon and U.S. armed forces bases next week. Ya'alon's itinerary is supposed to include the Florida headquarters of two key commands: Centcom and Special Operations at MacDill air force base.

More data is now being collected and collated in the West about the missile test and about the progress being made in the Iranian missile program, which is based on North Korean missiles. In previous tests, when the rocket was powered by a North Korean engine, the tests were successful, but when the engines were Iranian-made, even with North Korean know-how, they tended to fail - despite statements by Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shakhmani in 2002 that Iran can "develop everything" and does not need help from foreign sources like China or Russia.

The report of the Shihab-3 test is an incentive for Israel equipping itself with more Arrow missiles made by the Israel Aircrafts Industries and soon to go into a joint production process with Boeing.

Israel is also concerned about the growing ties between Iran and Libya. Indeed, the Libyan threat is now the reason for a third Arrow battery even though the Iraqi threat is gone. One response to the Libyan threat would be an Arrow battery mounted on a naval vessel.

Western experts said that the 16-meter single-stage Shihab-3, which can carry up to a ton of explosives in its payload, is not very accurate, with the probability of hitting within three kilometers of any target it is launched at. But it is possible that has been improved over the past year. In any case, the missile range already includes Israel, Turkey, the Indian subcontinent and the American forces in the Gulf. Iran has plans for two longer-range missiles: a Shihab-4, with a 2,000-kilometer range and a Shihab-5, with a 5,500-kilometer range.

The last Shihab missile test resulted in a Bush administration statement expressing "serious concerns" about the Iranian missile project, which is a "threat to the region and U.S. interests."

The next commander of Centcom, Gen. John Abizaid, who replaces Tommy Franks on Monday, testified last week to a Senate committee that "Iran has the largest ballistic missile inventory in the Central Command region to include long-range weapons of mass destruction and delivery systems capable of reaching deployed U.S. forces in the theater." And he warned, "Iran's long-term ability to develop nuclear weapons remains a source of serious concern."

He told the committee that "Iran casts a shadow on security and stability in the Gulf region. Iran's military is second only to the United States. U.S. allies in the Gulf acknowledge Iran's increasingly proactive efforts to soften its image and appear less hegemonic; however, Iran's military poses a potential threat to neighboring countries."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iranianalert; isreal
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1 posted on 07/03/2003 6:12:03 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: DoctorZIn
Time for operation Persian Osirak.
2 posted on 07/03/2003 6:15:15 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: DoctorZIn
How far do we need to bend over to look like the good guy? Is the Mid East worth it? I think we have proved we are the better chess player. We can we honestly say enough is enough?
3 posted on 07/03/2003 6:16:13 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Say goodbye to Iran's missile program.
4 posted on 07/03/2003 6:16:48 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: rmlew
My thoughts exactly. But there's no way the jets could make it from Israel to Iran on a single tank. Maybe we could let them refuel in Iraq. :)
5 posted on 07/03/2003 6:17:22 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: DoctorZIn
"The next commander of Centcom, Gen. John Abizaid, who replaces Tommy Franks on Monday, testified last week to a Senate committee that "Iran has the largest ballistic missile inventory in the Central Command region to include long-range weapons of mass destruction and delivery systems capable of reaching deployed U.S. forces in the theater." And he warned, "Iran's long-term ability to develop nuclear weapons remains a source of serious concern."

Am I the only one concerned about this John Abizaid?

6 posted on 07/03/2003 6:18:19 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: realpatriot; yonif
Who here knows, is that Arab?

Yonif, do you know? Is this name Arab? "Gen. John Abizaid"
7 posted on 07/03/2003 6:22:41 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: Centurion2000
I wish I were conviced that their missle program is near an end. It is if the Iranian people overthrow their government soon, otherwise "Houston... we have a problem."
8 posted on 07/03/2003 6:22:42 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... 6 days until July 9th)
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To: DoctorZIn
4 months and counting...I hear R.E.M. and the fat lady tuning up already...better act now W.....
9 posted on 07/03/2003 6:23:20 PM PDT by Beck_isright (If all the minorities win all their USSC cases, doesn't that make them majorities?)
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To: realpatriot
He is a fine man. Apparently of Arab descent--Lebanese , I think.
10 posted on 07/03/2003 6:24:44 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: realpatriot
Abazid is the son of Lebanese parents. He speaks fluent Arabic and is a staunch conservative. He shreds radical muslims for lunch. He is also a great general, and he fights.

11 posted on 07/03/2003 6:26:43 PM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: realpatriot
Am I the only one concerned about this John Abizaid?

You probably are because we've heard he's a really good guy. Extremely well qualified, and extremely loyal.

12 posted on 07/03/2003 6:27:22 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: DoctorZIn
From what I have seen & heard the "arrow" program is very effective. Besides the Iranian progam is about to suffer a very fatal accident. they have been messing with a very big [little] giant, and they will exact a very heavy toll for this.
13 posted on 07/03/2003 6:27:51 PM PDT by Knightsofswing (sic semper tranyis [death to tryants!!])
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To: DoctorZIn
Recently Israel launched it's first satellite. In order to accomplish this feat Israel launched the missile westward over the Med. Although this negated the natural Earth rotational boost Israel was able to achieve orbit without launching its missile so as to travel over other Middle east countries.

Everyone is within their range!!! If I was North Korea and I've been selling technology to Tehran I might find myself targetted by Israel.

14 posted on 07/03/2003 6:28:53 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: judicial meanz
"Abazid is the son of Lebanese parents. He speaks fluent Arabic and is a staunch conservative. He shreds radical muslims for lunch. He is also a great general, and he fights."

Thank you. I fell somewhat better, but I can't help think of that airline flight with the Egyptian copilot that flew the airliner into the ocean killing all aboard. If this man is what you say he is he should, even more than us, despise these despicable low lives.

15 posted on 07/03/2003 6:32:56 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: realpatriot
Am I the only one concerned about this John Abizaid?

God, you dumb hillbilly, ignorant moron. Why would we be concerned? Please tell us.

16 posted on 07/03/2003 6:37:23 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: judicial meanz
Total Naivette here. What about the "Arab Tent" thing?

And, Is this general Muslim?
17 posted on 07/03/2003 6:37:30 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: rmlew
Clint Eastwood- Heartbreak Ridge... is supposedly loosely based on him. I think he was involved in Grenada operation.
18 posted on 07/03/2003 6:38:25 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: Calpernia; realpatriot; yonif
One would think if there were anything to be alamed about, Gertz would know. Here is a piece he wrote about Abizaid: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030625-102128-9584r.htm

Abizaid sure Iraq arms will be found

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES, June 26, 2003

The incoming commander of U.S. forces in Iraq said yesterday that he expects stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and an illicit program to build nuclear arms to be uncovered in Iraq.

"I'm confident we will show that there was deception," Army Lt. Gen. John P. Abizaid said at a Senate hearing on his nomination to be chief of the U.S. Central Command. "And I am also confident that at some point it will lead us to actual weapons of mass destruction."

Gen. Abizaid, an American of Lebanese descent who speaks Arabic, also said the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in the face of intelligence about their existence is perplexing.

The search for Iraq's weapons includes looking at documents and talking to informants and detainees, he said.

"I believe that as we get on with the mission of continuing to look for weapons of mass destruction and piece together the evidence that is available within the country ... that we'll piece together the story that tells us what happened to the weapons of mass destruction somewhere between 1998 and 2003," he said.

The policy of containment of now-ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's regime for over a decade did not work, Gen. Abizaid said. "And I think that bringing this brutal regime down with as many of the hundreds of thousands of people that he killed was a good thing in its own right," he said.

Mass graves discovered in Iraq showed that Saddam's forces had murdered men, women and children by shooting them in the head and even burying them alive in pits, he said.

Gen. Abizaid said that U.S. troops prefer combat to the current mission of "constabulary duty" to stabilize postwar Iraq.

He described three types of opposition to the allied troops in Iraq: armed Ba'athist cells operating in Baghdad, Al Ramadi and Tikrit; radical anti-American Islamists from outside Iraq; and Iraqi criminals.

The foreign fighters were disrupted by a recent military strike on a camp in western Iraq.

Gen. Abizaid said coalition troops are taking the fight to the Ba'athists with the aim to "kill those who would try to kill us."

Gen. Abizaid said the coalition forces in Iraq are not sitting around waiting to be attacked. "In at least half of the actions that take place there, we are the folks that initiate the contact," he said.

The 145,000-strong U.S. troop presence in Iraq is not expected to increase, he said. "I think right now we have sufficient number of troops to deal with the tasks at hand that we are faced with militarily," Gen. Abizaid said.

Troop levels could decrease once the current phase of anti-guerrilla operations is finished at the end of the month, he said.

Gen. Abizaid praised the tactical intelligence data provided to U.S. forces during the conflict. But, he said, the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction was "incomplete."

The general said he had expected Iraqi forces to use chemical or biological weapons against advancing coalition troops and had expected the latter to find illicit arms "early in the campaign."

"Fortunately, they did not use weapons of mass destruction against our troops," he said.

The intelligence supplied to the troops was "the most accurate that I've ever seen on the tactical level, probably the best I've ever seen on the operational level," Gen. Abizaid said.

U.S. intelligence provided an unprecedented "picture" of the Iraqi forces and their intentions, which helped speed the rapid drive of allied forces to Baghdad.

However, intelligence agencies provided information that was "perplexingly incomplete on the strategic level with regard to weapons of mass destruction."

Gen. Abizaid said he could not understand why no weapons of mass destruction were found "when the evidence was so pervasive" that they existed.

Coalition forces expected to intercept Iraq's chemical or biological arms before they were moved from storage depots to guns. "But we've looked at the depots, and they're not there," Gen. Abizaid said.

The weapons could have been moved, hidden or destroyed, he said.

Movement from weapons depots before the war was viewed by the United States as preparation by Iraqi forces to use weapons of mass destruction against coalition troops, he said.

However, in retrospect, the movement of arms may have been intended "to get rid of them," Gen. Abizaid said.

The discovery of Iraqi chemical warfare protective suits showed that the Iraqis had planned to use poison gas and would have attacked coalition troops with chemical weapons as they closed in on Baghdad, he said.

If confirmed by the Senate, Gen. Abizaid will replace the outgoing commander of U.S. Central Command, Gen. Tommy Franks.

19 posted on 07/03/2003 6:41:22 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
BECAUSE of the Arab Tent ideology..."make the Arabs one against their many enemies."

Implemented by the ARAB LEAGUE.
20 posted on 07/03/2003 6:41:50 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
"God, you dumb hillbilly, ignorant moron. Why would we be concerned? Please tell us.

You are truly an ignorant individual with your head in tha sand. Pull it out, see that 9-11 did occur, and it wasn't the Irish that did it.

21 posted on 07/03/2003 6:41:50 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: realpatriot
"Am I the only one concerned about this John Abizaid?"

Gen. Abizaid is from a Maronite Christian, Lebanese background. He is fine officer and an outstanding American.



22 posted on 07/03/2003 6:42:13 PM PDT by rogator
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To: RedWhiteBlue
Thank you for this reply. Information with no name calling. How refreshering.
23 posted on 07/03/2003 6:43:53 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: RedWhiteBlue
Well, I'm sad to give up Franks; but, that article you posted does make me feel better. Thank you.
24 posted on 07/03/2003 6:44:06 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: rogator
Thank you. This is the type of information I was seeking!
25 posted on 07/03/2003 6:45:27 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
"God, you dumb hillbilly, ignorant moron. Why would we be concerned? Please tell us."

Why do you think I'm a "hillbilly" because I live in Mississippi? Talk about a hypocrit! Why not also call me by the "N" word, huh? Are "rednecks" fair game in your book? Go to hell, hypocrit!

26 posted on 07/03/2003 6:52:45 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: realpatriot; Calpernia
I googled him, and everything I find looks impressive.

According to THIS SOURCE (the Arab-American Institute), Franks had been requesting that Abizaid be assigned as one of his deputies for many months, but Rummy kept on turning him down because Abizaid was in such high demand at the Pentagon.

I found this excerpt to be quite interesting:

"Still, there is little doubt that Gen Abizaid brings a reputation for high intelligence and quick decision-making that will be critical in a war where US troops are likely to be racing towards Baghdad - very unlike the standard slow-moving flanking actions used during the first Gulf war.

His reputation for decisive action was cemented during the 1983 US invasion of Grenada, where, facing a nest of hostile Cuban troops, Captain Abizaid ordered one of his officers to climb aboard a bulldozer, raise its shovel, and drive it towards the enemy while he and his men advanced behind it.

The incident became so celebrated that it was adopted by Clint Eastwood, who gave identical orders during his film about the Grenada invasion, Heartbreak Ridge."

27 posted on 07/03/2003 7:05:55 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: realpatriot
What is your problem with Abizaid?

Rumsfeld knows him better than you do and he has total faith in him, that's why he sent him to Iraq and promoted him to this post.

29 posted on 07/03/2003 7:08:11 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: DoctorZIn
Even Allah can't pull their butts out of the fire....
30 posted on 07/03/2003 7:08:11 PM PDT by b4its2late (FOOTBALL REFEREES - We're not in the game, we are the game.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
A review of your posting habits reveals that you are the ignorant one. You have nothing to offer an intelligent and civil discussion, and take every opportunity to insult those with whom you disagree. The misery that is you comes through in your every post.
31 posted on 07/03/2003 7:14:41 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: FairOpinion
"What is your problem with Abizaid?"

I have no problem with this man. The Arabic name sounded alarms which in true FreeRepublic tradition has been researched and determined to be in line with conservative values. I'm okay with this.

32 posted on 07/03/2003 7:14:51 PM PDT by realpatriot
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33 posted on 07/03/2003 7:15:01 PM PDT by Bob J (Freerepublic.net...where it's always a happening....)
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To: realpatriot
Why do you think I'm a "hillbilly" because I live in Mississippi? Talk about a hypocrit! Why not also call me by the "N" word, huh? Are "rednecks" fair game in your book? Go to hell, hypocrit!

Im the hyocrit......ME????? This coming from the guy who is wondering if we should worry about a military leader because hes half arab.

I hope you feel dumb

34 posted on 07/03/2003 7:16:27 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
You are truly an embarrassment to New Orleans. Please reconcider your freeper name out of concideration to a fine city.
35 posted on 07/03/2003 7:21:52 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: realpatriot
uhhh, sure

whatever

36 posted on 07/03/2003 7:25:28 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: RedWhiteBlue
>>>>Franks had been requesting that Abizaid be assigned as one of his deputies for many months, but Rummy kept on turning him down because Abizaid was in such high demand at the Pentagon.

(gives redwhiteblue a BIG virtual hug!)

THANK YOU!!!!
37 posted on 07/03/2003 7:26:39 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: realpatriot
Sorry for the way I phrased my reply, upon reading more I realized that your question and concern was sincere. Most people have heard about Abizaid, his impeccable credentials, the most important of which is that Rumsfeld really likes him.

I suggest you read the article linked in post #27 by RedWhiteBlue, it will give you a much better feel about Abizaid. I was going to post that article myself, but noticed it was already mentioned.

Here is the link to it again:

http://www.aaiusa.org/news/must_read02_22_03.htm
38 posted on 07/03/2003 7:26:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Search4Truth
BUMP!
39 posted on 07/03/2003 7:27:41 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: Bob J
Thank you! I'm not use to the schedule yet.
40 posted on 07/03/2003 7:28:36 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Israel is also concerned about the growing ties between Iran and Libya. Indeed, the Libyan threat is now the reason for a third Arrow battery

Ezekiel 38:5 Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, and Libya with them

and Ethiopia has strong muslim ties, no?
41 posted on 07/03/2003 7:30:09 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
Pardon me. How can you say that when you never responded to my post, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/940180/posts?page=20#20

I explained the response from realpatriot, which was the same as my own. AND I explained the response in my post that YOU ignored. Yet you call realpatriot dumb? Hillbilly?

I'm not hiding, my profile says who I am, yet you are?

That speaks wonders of your character.
42 posted on 07/03/2003 7:32:26 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: Calpernia
You are most welcome.
43 posted on 07/03/2003 7:33:12 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Bobby777
Arab Tent = Arab League. Arab Tent is used within the culture. I don't see Ethiopia listed; but, Libya is.

Members:

Algeria
Bahrain
Comoros
Djibouti
Egypt
Iraq
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Libya
Mauritania
Morocco
Oman
Palestine
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Tunisia
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
44 posted on 07/03/2003 7:36:27 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: realpatriot
There's a Lebanese American in my naval reserve unit. I wish all the sailors had his level of dedication and love of America.
46 posted on 07/03/2003 7:39:37 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: realpatriot
Am I the only one concerned about this John Abizaid?

John Goldstein could slip into that neighborhood more easily?

47 posted on 07/03/2003 7:40:30 PM PDT by Phil V. (back to DOS 3.2)
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To: Our man in washington
Lebanese American BUMP
49 posted on 07/03/2003 7:42:58 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: DoctorZIn
I don't expect Israel to tolerate a situation where Iran has nukes and the means to deliver them to Israel. If I had to place money, I'd bet Israel will take out Iran's nuclear program before we do.
50 posted on 07/03/2003 7:43:12 PM PDT by squidly
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