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Liberia Folly: NO US TROOPS!!
National Review ^ | 7/7/03 | Ted Carpenter

Posted on 07/07/2003 7:54:52 AM PDT by KantianBurke

During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush emphasized that a vital national interest ought to be at stake before the United States launches a military intervention. Unfortunately, the president is about to violate his own standard by sending American troops to Liberia at the head of an international peacekeeping force.

There is not even a peripheral, much less a vital, U.S. interest at stake in Liberia. It might be possible to find a country that is less relevant than Liberia to America's security and well-being, but it would take a major effort.

Writer Irving Kristol had it right more than a decade ago during a previous civil war in Liberia when he observed that the only issue at stake seemed to be a mundane fight between then-dictator Samuel K. Doe and would-be dictator Charles Taylor. Today, the mundane struggle is between Taylor and rebels who would likely replace his odious regime with an equally odious one. America does not have a dog in that fight.

U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and other lobbyists for a U.S.-led peacekeeping mission argue that intervention is justified because considerable suffering is taking place in the Liberian civil war. That is undoubtedly tragic for the people of Liberia. But the existence of suffering in another country is not sufficient reason for the United States to commit its military personnel.

There is suffering going on in numerous places around the world. Indeed, the scale of human misery is far greater in such places as the Congo, Cuba, Myanmar, North Korea, and Sudan than it is in Liberia. From a moral standpoint, how can the Bush administration justify intervening in Liberia while declining to use force in those other cases? Yet if the United States intends to intervene everywhere bad things happen, our military will be busy in perpetuity. Humanitarian intervention is, therefore, an impractical, bankrupt policy.

Even some advocates of intervention in Liberia seem to shy away from the logical implications of their policies. Typically, their arguments include a disclaimer that the United States cannot intervene everywhere, or that America cannot be the world's policeman. But then they blithely go on to suggest making Liberia an exception.

The problem with that approach is that the list of potential exceptions is as numerous as the advocates of the doctrine of humanitarian intervention. In the early 1990s, proponents made Somalia an exception. A few years later it was Haiti, then Bosnia, and then Kosovo. Now, advocates of intervention in Liberia compete with those who believe America should take action to end the suffering in the Congo or Myanmar.

Given all the potential "exceptions" to the rule that the United States should not try to be the world's policeman, America would end up in that role by default. Indeed, if the Bush administration follows the advice of the lobbyists for humanitarian intervention, the United States will not only be the world's policeman, it will be the world's armed social worker.

Some supporters of intervention in Liberia contend that the country is a special case because it was founded by freed American slaves in the 1800s. Of all the justifications for the use of military force, that one is the silliest. The circumstances of the founding of a country more than 150 years ago has no relevance whatsoever to the question of whether the United States ought to take action in the 21st century. When interventionists resort to that kind of argument, they are grasping at straws.

It is unsound strategically to send our military personnel in harm's way when there is no vital security interest at stake. Even worse, it is immoral to risk their lives in such ventures. Being a superpower means that the United States has the luxury to say "no" as well as "yes" to suggestions that it engage in military interventions. Liberia is a case where U.S. leaders should have said "no" early and often


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bush; folly; itsaquagmire; liberia
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Checked and didn't see this posted. Spot on analysis.
1 posted on 07/07/2003 7:54:52 AM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: Sparta
"It is unsound strategically to send our military personnel in harm's way when there is no vital security interest at stake. Even worse, it is immoral to risk their lives in such ventures."

DAMN RIGHT bump!

2 posted on 07/07/2003 7:56:15 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: Gunslingr3

3 posted on 07/07/2003 8:00:03 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: KantianBurke
One Liberian politician said yesterday that Liberia is like a US colony! What? That's news to me and the UN too, I'd bet! No troops to Liberia to support yet another Liberian dictator/thief!
4 posted on 07/07/2003 8:02:46 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Adios Kalipornia!)
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To: KantianBurke
...why in the HELL aren't the UN doing something here? did i miss something? aren't they committed to peace in africa? what gives???...
5 posted on 07/07/2003 8:04:07 AM PDT by cweese
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To: KantianBurke
It is telling that National Review publishes Ted Carpenter's piece as "guest opinion."

In better times, similar opinions were held by most if not all of the magazine's editorial staff. They would no more go along with military intervention in a sub-Sahara African nation than, say, propose that the Medicare program be enlarged to cover prescription drugs.

On the bright side, at least the editors ran it.

6 posted on 07/07/2003 8:09:15 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: KantianBurke
There is not even a peripheral, much less a vital, U.S. interest at stake in Liberia.

The author should do some research before flapping his gums.

"Voice of America maintains its largest transmission center in the world. Broadcasting with six 250 kW and two 50 kW transmitters, coverage is provided for the entire African continent, the Middle East, and southwestern Russia.24 Looking towards the sea from Monrovia, the U.S. keeps an Omega communications and navigation relay station to transmit and guide submarines in the Atlantic.25 Firestone runs the largest rubber plantation in the world outside of Monrovia, complete with a 200 bed medical facility."

source

7 posted on 07/07/2003 8:09:35 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: logician2u
Actually Carpenter publishes pieces in NR more often than you think.
8 posted on 07/07/2003 8:10:38 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: KantianBurke
>>>There is not even a peripheral, much less a vital, U.S. interest at stake in Liberia.

Liberia is positioned on a nice water way. Plus, it is positioned strategically by S. America, Cuba, Central America and accessable to the USA. Security wise, I think this is a vital interest.
9 posted on 07/07/2003 8:12:07 AM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
and such a transmitter can't be relocated? A replacement can't be acquired? Nope gotta send in US forces into a turd world country for the next decade.
10 posted on 07/07/2003 8:12:22 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: Calpernia
Its a nation that's been having quite a brutual civil war for G-d knows how long. Since when has it been of any use to us?
11 posted on 07/07/2003 8:14:24 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: KantianBurke
I take it that you were just as animated in 1990-1991 during Operation Sharp Edge when the Marines evacuated 2,600+ non-combatants from Liberia. Get a grip, Chicken Little.
12 posted on 07/07/2003 8:22:20 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: KantianBurke
I'm looking at a map. It has strategic positioning to new axis's of terrorism: Cuba, Colombia, finances available from Venezuelan, and Lula's Brazil.

We have also been hearing on and off about all the cargo ships OBL and SH seem to have. Liberia would be a port.

Based on those points alone, it seems to be vital interest. I'm sure there is more.
13 posted on 07/07/2003 8:22:29 AM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
So why would the US wish to put all those things in jeopardy by sending in troops?

Did the chairman of Firestone ask for them to protect his company's plantation? Do you think for even an instant that, should things go from bad to worse and the US (as is often the case in its interventionist foreign policy) bets on the wrong horse, the eventual replacement for the current dictator won't decide to "nationalize" American interests in Liberia?

The mere presence of American industries or a VOA transmitter is insufficient grounds to treat a nation as if it were a colony.

14 posted on 07/07/2003 8:23:40 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: Paulus Invictus
One Liberian politician said yesterday that Liberia is like a US colony! What? That's news to me and the UN too, I'd bet!

He said like a U.S. colony--what he actually said was that the Europeans see Liberia that way. And they have justification. Don't forget that Liberia is the only other country in the world founded by Americans.

15 posted on 07/07/2003 8:26:03 AM PDT by TigerTale (From the streets of Tehran to the Gulf of Oman, let freedom ring.)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
only a fool would be unable to see a BIG difference between an evac of American citizens to setting up shop in that hellhole for an undetermined amount of time for a questionable purpose.
16 posted on 07/07/2003 8:30:20 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: KantianBurke
gotta send in US forces into a turd world country for the next decade

Are you proposing a

QUAGMIRE ALERT!


17 posted on 07/07/2003 8:35:03 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the Sgt Schultz group))
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To: logician2u
So why would the US wish to put all those things in jeopardy by sending in troops?

Were those things jeopardized in 1990-1991? Sit up higher so the point doesn't fly so far over your head. The author made a mistake in claiming that There is not even a peripheral, much less a vital, U.S. interest at stake in Liberia. By the way, since you seem to be privy to intelligence briefings that the rest of the world isn't, how many American citizens are currently in Liberia and what are they doing there?

18 posted on 07/07/2003 8:40:10 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: KantianBurke
There is no reason to justify the loss of US soldiers or marines in this, yet again, deployment of US military forces. Frankly, I'm sick of everybody thinking its ok to send US forces here, US forces there, US forces everywhere. Our military forces are overcommitted and undermanned! Our soldiers are not robocops or terminators! They need a rest once in a while. All this tough talk about taking on Syria, Iran, perhaps N. Korea (that probably needs to be done) kind of makes me wonder if anyone gives a damn about what we are putting these guys through.

I smell domestic politics in all of this. Something along the lines of President Bush appeasing liberals, thus getting "centrist" votes, and accolades from the NY Times, by intefering in African affairs.

Why get invovled? Corruption is rampant and there exists no vital national interests to justify such folly.
19 posted on 07/07/2003 8:40:42 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: Calpernia
You forgot the </sarcasm> tag.
20 posted on 07/07/2003 8:41:00 AM PDT by logician2u
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