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AMERICANS OWN LARGEST NUMBER OF FIREARMS IN WORLD
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Posted on 07/08/2003 10:42:28 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker

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To: TEXASPROUD
On behalf of my fellow Texans, thanks for recognising Texas as #1 in firearms ownership.

I was at an IDPA match this weekend and we were discussing the costs associated with the various competitions. Someone remarked how expensive the race guns, etc were.

Someone else commented that Cowboy Action Shooting was probably the most expensive, needing 4 guns, lots of leather and costumes, etc.

One voice drawled, "Hell, in Texas, that's just cleaning out a closet".

51 posted on 07/08/2003 12:17:40 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: SirFishalot
On that AFN special I saw, a camera crew walked into a shop with a Swiss guy and he walked out with a new Colt revolver in about 10 minutes. I was impressed.
52 posted on 07/08/2003 12:23:30 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: NativeNewYorker
Oh yea... Red leaf invasion is for real... Reminds me to stock up on hockey pucks to distract them as I hunker down in my bunker.
53 posted on 07/08/2003 12:37:17 PM PDT by smith288 (We are but a moon, reflecting the light of the Son.)
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To: ChefKeith
I would bet that Texans are the most well armed in the U.S.

I dont know about that. I know of a few counties in western WA that are quite startling when it comes to the amount of fire power these folks own.
54 posted on 07/08/2003 12:39:32 PM PDT by zoen
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To: ARCADIA
You can never have enough guns.

I think Jeff Cooper was the one who said it is impossible to have too many books, guns, or fine wines. (I'm doing my best on all three.)

-ccm

55 posted on 07/08/2003 12:52:54 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: The Shootist
HEY UN!


NAH NAH NA NAH NAHHHH! You can't have our guns UN, DOO DAH, DOO DAH! You can't have our guns UN, EAU DE DOO DAH DAY!
56 posted on 07/08/2003 12:59:40 PM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (ROCK ON NJ FREEPERS!!!! DOWN WITH HILDABEEST!)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Eat that, Europe! You stinking socialists!

We're #1!!!
57 posted on 07/08/2003 1:24:20 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (When the government controls all information, they control you.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
As a non-gun owner myself, all I can say is thank God I live in a country where I can get one if I need to.
58 posted on 07/08/2003 1:26:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NativeNewYorker
the United States, which the study estimates has between 83 and 96 guns for every 100 people

Yeah, but I really skew the numbers up. I'm sure I'm not the only one with an assortment of lenders in case the neighbors need to borrow.

59 posted on 07/08/2003 1:29:30 PM PDT by Jim Cane
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To: ChefKeith
I would bet that Texans are the most well armed in the U.S.

The study I saw, said North Dakota had the highest firearms ownership of any state. (also the lowest crime rate in the nation)

60 posted on 07/08/2003 2:26:37 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Cobra64
My bad
61 posted on 07/08/2003 2:44:01 PM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: NativeNewYorker

All-Righta!

And I'm still short a 30-30 model 94 and a 12 gauge.

62 posted on 07/08/2003 2:45:32 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: NativeNewYorker
Of course the number of guns per 100 people doesn't tell the whole story. Also important is the number of individuals, or even of households, that own one or more guns. If you count the "issue" rifle or pistol that most Swiss men have in their closet somewhere, the Swiss come out on top. Notice that they aren't even mentioned, because technically the Swiss Army owns those guns, until the person completes his required "militia" service, which is at a fairly old age( about my age maybe? :) ) , and then they may retain them for a small charge. Meanwhile they are free to use them, and many do, just not for nefarious purposes.

63 posted on 07/08/2003 2:49:01 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: jospehm20
They said that the Swiss are the most heavily armed people in Europe. Every guy is drafted into the Army and than has to keep his service rifle at home for the rest of their life. It is also very easy for a citizen in good standing to buy a gun there.

They didn't count their "issue" rifles and pistols, those technically belong to the Army, until their militia sevice is finished, at which point they can keep them perhaps for a small fee.

64 posted on 07/08/2003 2:51:44 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: ChefKeith
And that is a Full-Auto rifle required in every household for the defense of the country.

Not quite, officers are only issued pistols. They can buy an assault rifle, or a battle rifle if they want one.

65 posted on 07/08/2003 2:52:53 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: dfwgator
thank God I live in a country where I can get one if I need to.

You do, and you should.

66 posted on 07/08/2003 3:00:00 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: NativeNewYorker
Just doing my part.
Ask me about C&R licenses.
YOu too can have the Big Brown Truck bringing arms
right to YOUR door. (At wholesale!)
67 posted on 07/08/2003 3:03:49 PM PDT by tet68
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To: El Gato

Well, folks, ONE of those two hundred some odd million is mine, specifically the Stevens-Savage 12 Guage pump-action shotgun (a picture of which I found on the web....)

A local gunsmith who is Range Officer for one of the local police departments turned me on to one of his techniques for exterior maitenance. He uses the metals polish and restorer called "Flitz", the homepage of which can be found here. I swear to Gawd, people, that Flitz stuff will take the storage residue right off, and he's sworn by it for years. That shot barrel was as smooth as a baby's a$$ when Mike got done with it. This is for exterior use only and is no substitute for standard cleaning and oils, by the way.

By the by, this fellow maintained that for Home Defense purposes, it's best if I convert to a shorter barrel for tactical purposes, rather than have that long thing stick out like that. Anyone know where I can get a decent shorter barrel on the internet, or should I just do the right thing and go to the next gun show?

Be Seeing You,

Chris

68 posted on 07/08/2003 3:07:05 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi just killed Barney....)
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To: wideawake
I don't see anyone cracking on Finland for their relatively high precentage of gunowners.

The Finns are a very proud people. Their history includes kicking the crap out of the Russians on more than one occasion. Finland is odd for a socialist nation; they have a very good rifle manufacturing industry and are very big on bolt actions. They also produce brass cartridge cases of very high quality (Lapua) and have their own smokeless powder manufacturing (Vitha Vuori)industyr which exports to the US.

Vitha

69 posted on 07/08/2003 3:07:30 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: El Gato
until the person completes his required "militia" service, which is at a fairly old age( about my age maybe? :) ) , and then they may retain them for a small charge.

I was pretty close on the age deal. 42 for enlisted, 52 for officers. I was an officer once upon a time in a land far away, and I'm 53 now. Of course I've got nearly 7 years to go in the Texas Reserve militia, as does my wife, and of course my daughters and their SOs have much longer.

Here is a Link with some info on the subject, and here is one on their gun laws at the Swiss Embassy in Washington and on their militia/military system

I may have been wrong about the "small charge", they may just get to retain them.

70 posted on 07/08/2003 3:14:17 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: wideawake
The Sako Varmint Stainless, made in Finland


71 posted on 07/08/2003 3:14:33 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
The Tikka Model T3 Hunter, made in Finland.


72 posted on 07/08/2003 3:17:09 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: ChefKeith
Percentage wise second only to Montana
73 posted on 07/08/2003 3:17:19 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Shoot Shovel and Shutup!!)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Americans are the most heavily armed!

Certainly, we have the most to defend!

Our Constitution recognized it would take ARMED CITIZENS to confront ANY bastards that wish to deprive us of life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness..

We may yet be forced to prove the wiseness of that provision....given the behavior of the "enemy within"...

Semper Fi
74 posted on 07/08/2003 3:31:55 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: section9
Barrels aren't considered guns, legally so you can order different barrels from any number of catalogs.

The Cabelas catalog has a bunch listed. Try them.

(Nice shotgun BTW.) Here's a pic of mine.

Regards,

L

75 posted on 07/08/2003 3:33:13 PM PDT by Lurker (A 'moderate' Arab is one who carries a grudge for less than 8 generations.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
The study said Americans are most armed in the world, followed by Finns and Yememis.

I think this is the first time, for any reason, that I've ever seen Finns and Yemenis bracketed together.

76 posted on 07/08/2003 3:36:12 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: ARCADIA
Agreed. Here's my "line-up":

Glock 32/ .357sig w/ Docter red dot sight
Kimber Eclipse Target II 1911 .45cal ACP 5" w/night sights
Eagle Arms AR-15 (pre-ban 2.5" barrel) w/ M4-2000 Silencer & Eotech 551 sight
Alexander Arms Beowulf .50cal AR15/M16-style w/ Eotech 551 sight
Armalite AR-10 A4 Carbine w/ Leupold MkIV CQ/T sight
Bushmaster AR-15 A3 Carbine w/ Trijicon ACOG TA01 sight
Remington 870 Express HD Tactical 12ga w/ Eotech 551 sight
Colt Trooper MkIII .357 Magnum 6" - unscoped!
Lifer: BSA/ Eagle Scout '63
5yr Member: NRA & GOA

Disregard the last two lines...
77 posted on 07/08/2003 3:41:12 PM PDT by Hinoki Cypress (At 53, it's the miles, not the years.)
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To: tet68
The "Big Brown Truck" brings me lots of ammo, weekly. I like seeing that "ORD" sticker on the shipping box, BTW.

I'm looking for a gun safe, now. Don't need fire-proof units. Any suggestions, FReepers?

My "firearms roster" is listed above in Post #77, FYI. One is a Class III weapon, BATF-approved.
78 posted on 07/08/2003 3:50:35 PM PDT by Hinoki Cypress (At 53, it's the miles, not the years.)
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To: TEXASPROUD; ChefKeith
About Texans and firearms. My best friend (wasn't born here, but got here as quick as he could) recently said, "I have to admire you Texans, you all seem to have grown up with a rifle in one hand and a pistol in the other. You're good shots."
79 posted on 07/08/2003 3:51:44 PM PDT by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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To: section9
Looks like my Remington Model 12, made in 1939, one of the finast pieces of machinery ever made, action smooth as silk, with a goose barrel.
80 posted on 07/08/2003 3:54:19 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: PatrioticAmerican

Molon Labe!

81 posted on 07/08/2003 4:00:53 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't tread on me!)
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To: NativeNewYorker
A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to be No. 1 shall not be infringed
82 posted on 07/08/2003 4:26:39 PM PDT by J Jay
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To: El Gato
Actually I believe there is no charge, but on transfer to private owvership the Swiss government converts it to an "assault weapon" by converting the select-fire assault rifle to semi-auto only.

And the Swiss have closed the "gun-show loophole"

Subsequent transfers either by sale or by another transaction among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract between those individuals themselves, which they have to keep for at least ten years.

Who needs the BATF?

83 posted on 07/08/2003 11:49:46 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (hoist by his own petard. always funny.)
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To: Centurion2000; BlueLancer; ChefKeith
Sounds a little low ... at least in my household.

Hey, I was just reporting what I had heard the average was...my household definitely raises the average, and I have every intention of continuing to raise the average over time.

ChefKeith...17.4 per adult! With 14 million adults, this is 243,600,000 guns here. We're well-armed, and surely some people think that 17 per person is a bare minimum, but WOW! :>)

84 posted on 07/09/2003 8:39:52 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: NativeNewYorker
I've reviewed this secret report on Canada's plan for world domination. It is clear that Canada presents a clear and present danger to US National Security - greater than Iraq ever did, greater even than the Soviet Empire or the Axis in World War II. I've emailed President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Condi Rice, and requested that they immediately declare a national emergency, reinstitute the draft and mobilize all of our industry to meet this threat.

Canada delenda est!

85 posted on 07/09/2003 9:00:30 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: TERMINATTOR
Molon Labe indeed. They try to take our guns and they won't have any a$$ left to kiss.
86 posted on 07/09/2003 10:10:42 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Oztrich Boy
And the Swiss have closed the "gun-show loophole"

Subsequent transfers either by sale or by another transaction among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract between those individuals themselves, which they have to keep for at least ten years.

Who needs the BATF?

It's not as bad as that. IF the contract stays with the individual selling or transfering the weapon. So there is no government record or even the possibility of one. It's probably a good idea in fact. If the gun is subsequently misused, the seller is covered, and the buyer is covered because the seller can't claim it was stolen. Contracts are not neccessarily a bad thing.

Where is the "conversion" to semi-auto written? Seems kind of dumb. However, it's too bad we can't get the BATFE and DCM/Army to allow something like that for all the M-14s sitting around waiting to be torched.

87 posted on 07/09/2003 10:17:09 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: NativeNewYorker
AMERICANS OWN LARGEST NUMBER OF FIREARMS IN WORLD

1. That's because we have the most to lose.

2. That's because we have what everybody else wants.

3. That's because we have the most dangerous criminals. And some are not even elected.

4. That's because there are a lot of tasty things running around in our forests and prairies.

5. That is so we can make the world a better place for all the idiots that cannot or will not defend themselves.

And a few other lesser reasons.

88 posted on 07/09/2003 10:18:01 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: dfwgator
As a non-gun owner myself, all I can say is thank God I live in a country where I can get one if I need to.

Unless of course one is foolish enough to live in Washington, D.C. But otherwise, the point is well-taken.

89 posted on 07/09/2003 10:25:19 AM PDT by jpl (Give me back my bullets, put 'em back where they belong.)
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To: El Gato
Contracts are not neccessarily a bad thing.

I wasn't critical of the Swiss system. It's actually quite good. Both gun-dealers and private sellers have to keep a paper record of sales, but no info needs to be sent to the Feds. In the event of later misuse, the info is available, but if there is no misuse, the central goverment is totally out of the picture.

90 posted on 07/09/2003 10:52:05 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (hoist by his own petard. always funny.)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Yes, we are No.1 and we have enough to go around.


91 posted on 07/09/2003 11:53:46 AM PDT by J Jay
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To: NativeNewYorker
bttt
92 posted on 08/16/2003 12:57:24 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: NativeNewYorker
bttt
93 posted on 08/16/2003 12:57:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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