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Adversaries on Gay Rights Vow State-by-State Fight
NYT ^ | July 6, 2003 | SARAH KERSHAW

Posted on 07/08/2003 11:11:14 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Spurred on by the Supreme Court's landmark ruling decriminalizing gay sexual conduct, both sides in the debate over gay rights are vowing an intense state-by-state fight over deeply polarizing questions, foremost among them whether gays should be allowed to marry.

Even with most legislatures out of session until early next year, lively debates are already taking shape across the country, from Hawaii to Connecticut, Oregon to Alabama to Massachusetts. Potentially fierce battles over marriage and other rights loom in dozens of statehouses and state courts, as social conservatives — including the Senate majority leader, Bill Frist of Tennessee — try to breathe new life into a proposed constitutional amendment that would effectively ban gay marriage.

In dozens of interviews this week, activists, pundits on both sides and legal scholars from across the political spectrum said that with the Supreme Court's June 26 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, the country was at a revolutionary moment akin to the aftermath of the decisions in Brown v. the Board of Education, which banned school segregation, and Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion.

"The right wing is really galvanized by this, throwing down the barricades," said William Rubenstein, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles and the faculty chairman of the Williams project on sexual orientation law.

At the same time, he said: "Gay rights activists are excited and want to go the next step. On the one hand the Lawrence decision gives advocates an enormous weapon in their arsenal, and at the same time it will mobilize opponents of same-sex marriage in ways we haven't seen."

Most agreed that the question of whether the United States will allow gays to marry would become the next major focus of both the gay rights movement and of social conservatives, now that the Supreme Court effectively removed what has been used by many states as the basis for discrimination on a wide array of civil rights questions.

A decision last month in Ontario to extend marriage rights to same-sex couples, which is expected to go into effect for the whole country by the end of the year, making Canada the third country after the Netherlands and Belgium to allow gays to marry, is also bound to put the gay marriage question on the front burner here.

"America has hit a tipping point in which fair-minded people now support equality and inclusion for gay people and most Americans are ready to accept marriage," said Evan Wolfson of Freedom to Marry, an advocacy group in New York.

"We are in a Brown v. Board of Education moment right now," Mr. Wolfson said. "The Supreme Court has said in the strongest possible terms that love and intimacy and family have deep constitutional protection for all Americans and that gay people have an equal right to participate. This gives us a tremendous tool for moving forward to end the discrimination."

"At the same time," he added, "it is important to remember what came after Brown: major legal challenges and acts of courage but also fierce resistance."

Glenn Stanton, senior analyst for marriage and sexuality at Focus on the Family, a national organization opposed to gay rights, agreed there would be resistance. "I think that what will happen is that states will be seeking to say, `You know what? Don't bring any of that stuff here,' " he said. "We know what we want, we know what marriage is, and we know what sexual relationships are. They will be asking how they can protect life as they know it, rather than life as the Supreme Court tells them it's going to be."

State gay rights groups and social conservative groups are preparing for legislative and court fights.

"These are the first shots in the largest battle in the culture wars since Roe v. Wade," said Brian Brown, executive director of the Family Institute of Connecticut, a conservative group. "The people of Connecticut are not going to stand for this."

He added: "Politicians in Connecticut will have nowhere to hide. You'll have to choose a side. Either you support traditional marriage or you radically redefine it."In the 2003 legislative session, Connecticut, Montana and Rhode Island debated bills that would permit same-sex marriage, all of which died, according to the Human Rights Campaign, a gay advocacy group.

No state permits same-sex couples to legally marry, but in 2000, the Vermont Legislature conferred on gay couples in the state all of the rights married couples enjoy, but that does not entitle them to hundreds of federal rights or rights of married couples in other states.

In seven states, bills that would create civil unions similar to Vermont's were introduced, the Human Rights campaign said, and they died in all but two — California and Massachusetts, where they are pending.

Thirty-seven states already have what are called Defense of Marriage Acts, saying that marriage is between one man and one woman. In 2003, 10 states introduced bills that would either create one, if they were among states that had no defense of marriage act, or would prohibit recognition of same-sex marriages, civil unions or domestic partnerships forged anywhere else. Some of those states, including Texas, already had Defense of Marriage Acts but were seeking to expand them. Of those, only the Texas bill passed.

Gay rights groups said that even as they are emboldened by the Supreme Court ruling, they are also preparing for a backlash, especially in more conservative states.

Alabama is considered by gay rights activists to be one of the most resistant states to gay rights.

"Some people in our organization are very concerned about a backlash," said Ken Baker of Equality Alabama, a gay rights group. "We'll deal with it if it happens."

Another major battlefront is the courts. There are dozens of pending cases across the country relating to child custody, adoption, employment discrimination and gay marriage. Two court cases brought by couples seeking to legalize same-sex marriage in Massachusetts and New Jersey could yield landmark rulings.

The Massachusetts case, brought by Julie and Hillary Goodridge, who were denied a marriage license, could be decided this month.

A ruling for the plaintiffs would make the state the first to legalize gay marriage. Some social conservatives are already preparing.

"We're looking at this closely," said Len Deo, president of the New Jersey Family Policy Council. "Things are going to heat up. The next legislative session I'm sure is going to be feisty around these cultural issues."


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To: I_Love_My_Husband; Tailgunner Joe; Sabertooth
I can't stress it enough. IT IS A LEARNED TRAIT, IT IS A LEARNED TRAIT, IT IS A LEARNED TRAIT. What's next for them? Pre Natal care for their dirt babies?
21 posted on 07/08/2003 1:26:42 PM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (ROCK ON NJ FREEPERS!!!! DOWN WITH HILDABEEST!)
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To: Dr. Luv; ohioman
"There is just NO reason for this type of hateful vitriol. There is a lot of room in the tent known as conservatism and healthy dialogue is part of our movement."

Generally speaking, this is about as healthy as ohioman's dialogue gets. Most of his posts consist of calling people names and accusing them of being insuffuciently patirotic.
22 posted on 07/08/2003 1:29:13 PM PDT by kegler4
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And don't think that it's just a few right-wingers in Alabama, Mississippi and Texas that don't like the Supreme Court's ruling on the sodomy law. A poll released by Fox News showed that, by a margin of 44%-40%, Americans DISAPPROVED of the decision.
23 posted on 07/08/2003 1:33:18 PM PDT by No Dems 2004
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To: Dilly
fair to say most everyone is born hetero. Plenty of conditions in a childhood can lead to a sexual idealization of same-sex persons later on. Some are more inclined than others to go homo in circumstances that another person may just be a messed up hetero. An environmental catalyst to a natural predisposition or something like that.

The fact (and I regard it as fact) is that these people often do not "choose" to be homo; they are walking, talking dysfunctional products of their childhood. In that respect, they shouldn't be castigated as evil, unless they wear their dysfunction like a suit of armor and try to advocate legislation and social policy that legitimizes their dysfunction as a healthy, natural choice They are, in such cases, acting from a position of extreme pain and selfishness, if not outright evil.

24 posted on 07/08/2003 1:37:18 PM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe ("Allow myself to introduce...myself.")
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To: Dilly
You ignore the social importance of marriage between a man and a woman. Only conventional families and the children they raise insure the long term survival of society.

Sex partners do not equate with heterosexual marriage. Real marriage is a long-term private and social compact of family raising, not just sex. Because of the social benefits, Society has recognized it and granted marriage special status.

Families with children pass on society's good values to their children, defer immediate gratification to store up wealth for their children and stay together for love of the spouse and the protection of their children.

Society benefits by stable families as they, not the state assume the burden of child raising. Society benefits by families' long-term wealth building as there is more wealth for investing in businesses and social infrastructure.

Homosexual and casual sex alliances do not generate wealth building as they live for today, not tomorrow. Children of casual sex do not have two parents to guide and protect them. Most single mothers try hard to raise their children, but only with sacrifice and extra efforts. Look at the wealth statistics for single moms, they don't have the second income source two parent families do.
25 posted on 07/08/2003 1:39:38 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: RicocheT
Everything you say about why the government protects marriages is true. But nothing you say is a reason for excluding same sex couples (especially those raising children) from the protections of marriage. And nothing you say explains why the government allows people to marry who can not or will not have children.
26 posted on 07/08/2003 1:43:28 PM PDT by Dilly
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To: No Dems 2004
A poll released by Fox News showed that, by a margin of 44%-40%, Americans DISAPPROVED of the decision.

your numbers are crap - link please?

28 posted on 07/08/2003 1:59:51 PM PDT by jethropalerobber
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To: Emmylou
And perhaps you prefer Sodom and Gomorrah.
29 posted on 07/08/2003 2:05:42 PM PDT by bluebunny
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To: Dr. Luv
"There is just NO reason for this type of hateful vitriol. There is a lot of room in the tent known as conservatism and healthy dialogue is part of our movement."

I would never want to be in the same tent as you or Keglar. Like the homosexual lifesyle, that certainly would not be heathly. It also deserves no respect.


30 posted on 07/08/2003 2:10:52 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: kegler4
"Most of his posts consist of calling people names and accusing them of being insuffuciently patirotic."

If the truth hurts..tough shiite. I am also sure that I have never accused someone of being "insuffuciently patirotic."
31 posted on 07/08/2003 2:12:19 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: scripter
please ping the list!

Also, we've missed you!
32 posted on 07/08/2003 2:16:17 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: lemondropkid56
don't worry, gomorrah is still illegal.
33 posted on 07/08/2003 2:16:47 PM PDT by jethropalerobber
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To: ohioman
"I would never want to be in the same tent as you or Keglar. Like the homosexual lifesyle, that certainly would not be heathly. It also deserves no respect."

Methinks you would be happier in a tent of one...

34 posted on 07/08/2003 2:19:52 PM PDT by Dr. Luv
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To: ohioman
Exactly. The "big tent" my a$$. Yeah, the gop is becoming the big tent alright. Only the high-roller country club republicans are allowed. The sophisticated people don't want us around ruining their image.
35 posted on 07/08/2003 2:20:16 PM PDT by bluebunny
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To: ohiopyle
You idiots may get a replay of April 13, 1861 if you don't knock it off.

You don't need to engage in treason against the United States to live in a place where the government supports your views on gays, all you need to do is move. Might I suggest Saudi Arabia, Iran, or the northen regions of Nigeria? I'm sure you'd be very happy in any of those theocracies. Sorry we knocked off the Taliban, I think you would have liked living under their regime.
37 posted on 07/08/2003 2:34:15 PM PDT by Dilly
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To: I_Love_My_Husband; *Homosexual Agenda; GrandMoM; backhoe; pram; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; ...
please ping the list!

Here 'tis. Thanks for the ping.

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38 posted on 07/08/2003 3:03:24 PM PDT by scripter
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To: All
We know homosexuality isn't solely rooted in biology - environment is the major factor from where homosexuality is rooted. We also know the choice to engage in homosexuality results in severe health hazards, yet some here are content to let homosexuals do as they please. The true friend to homosexuals are those who encourage them to leave the lifestyle.

I encourage all to read the links found at The Many Myths of AIDS.

39 posted on 07/08/2003 3:19:03 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: Dilly
I ask you whether people also choose to be heterosexual.

Typical homosexual propaganda. Comparing a pathology to normal behavior is ludicrous. Do people choose to be bestials or are they born that way too?

40 posted on 07/08/2003 3:36:43 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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