[F14 Pilot]

This is not against you.
This is against Mullahs.
Please watch the pictures, and I didnt mean to say that one is good, other is bad.
The main point is that Iranians do not want Mullahs, they'd like to overthrow them even by force.
Sorry for any misunderstandings

[happygrl]

"National Socialist" has a cetain, shall we say, TAINT about it.

I think that this was the concern.

My impression of Iranians is that they are waaaaay too entrepenuerial and business-oriented to be Socialists.

This is the hyperbole of the young.

Get rid of the Mullahs and this will sort itself out.

[AdmSmith]

This is not against you. This is against Mullahs.

OK, I get your point; you want to show that some Iranian youth are prepared to go to the extreme to get rid of the mullahs. But it seems that these extreme kids not only are prepared to die for their cause, but to replace one stupid ideology with another similar brain dead vision.

We have to learn from history and that is that if you have a revolutionary situation the most extreme will have the upper hand, if not the silent majority is given a helping hand. When you have a totalitarian regime the opposition tends to be extreme as the silent majority is frightened. In the former communist central Europe the regimes gave up peacefully, with the exception of Yugoslavia and to some extent Albania.

Groups like the Marxist(!)-Islamist MEK, SUMKÂ (ideology described by their name NATIONAL SOCIALIST IRANIAN WORKERS PARTY) should not only be prevented from acting they should be terminated. Actually we in the West should assist the Iranian government in this.

Our objective is a responsible government in Iran. This means that they should comply with the NPT and not make nuclear bombs, not support terrorism etc. If the people in Iran wants to have a theocracy (which I do not think) it is OK.

My opinion has been that even a majority of the mullahs are fed up with the present situation and that given time we will have a peaceful regime change. However, the last days has convinced me that some groups (read the Rafsanjani clan) is so afraid of losing their money that they will stick to status quo.

As long as Rafsanjani is around there will not be a peaceful change. If we can convince him that Iran is heading for a civil war when Khatami resigns and that the most likely result after the chaos is that the present regime will lose not only power but as well their money, then we can make him and his entourage an offer they can not refuse: A safe haven in Saudi together with say 1 bn USD. (remember the article that Saudi offered 300 mullahs a place in the Sun) This is much cheaper than the cost for the damage that a civil war will cause.

There are a lot of behind-the-scenes negotiations going on and we will see the coming weeks if Iran comply with IAEA, extradites the 200 or so al Qaeda followers. I anticipated that these negotiations would have been completed before July 9th but I was wrong. Now is the time to put up the pressure on Rafsanjani. Give him hell Henry!