Exactly what is the gay 'agenda' and 'lifestyle'?

Amarillo Globe News ^ | July 15, 2003 | Greg Sagan

[narby]

There's the idea that homosexuals "recruit" heterosexuals. This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. If you don't believe that, try changing your own.

I can't possibly imagine myself becomming a liberal. Yet, I don't think I was with a conservative "gene". My parents were conservative, and I came of age politically in a conservative place. My early experience in working (In the US Air Force) was also a very conservative place. I don't doubt at all that had I grown up in Greenwitch Villiage I'd be liberal, and perhaps even gay.

There's the idea that gays corrupt the young. Some may, but as science repeatedly points out, most episodes of sexual abuse involving adults and children are perpetrated by heterosexuals.

Huh, yeah. I think that there are lots more hertosexuals in the world, so the odds favor that. But I strongly think that a "hertosexual" male messing with a boy can no longer be considered hertosexual. At best, he's bisexual, by definition.

A close friend of mine related a story of a professor in 1950's fly over country who regularly recruited young men. The prof was married (to a female), but liked to fool around with male students. At least one student he picked up stayed gay. Another he picked up had a serious mental problem with it, and tried to commit suicide before he figured out he liked girls despite his experience with the prof.

One of the biggest lies out there is that gays are "born that way". And the second biggest lie out there is that they "don't recruit".

Maybe some people are "born that way". And maybe not all gays "recruit". But some people I personally know chose to be gay/bisexual after being seduced. And certianly some gays go for young men with the hope they can "change" them.

[pogo101]

And there's the idea that gays "choose" the "gay lifestyle" - whatever that is. As I've pointed out before on this page, if anyone can "choose" to be gay, so can you.

This is oversimplified. Indeed, it's a little more false than true: if one posits (as do I, and I believe as most scholars of the subject believe) that sexual orientation on the 7-point "Kinsey Scale" -- with 1 as purely heterose_xual and 7 as purely homose_xual -- in the population can be graphed as a leftward-smooshed Bell Curve, with the apex of the bell over about the "2" (which is a strongly heterose_xual leaning),

then, because it's a bell curve, most of those who feel same-se_x attractions will be bise_xual (Kinsey scales of 3, 4 or 5), not either purely (7) or almost entirely (6) homose_xual.

And isn't it at least fair to say that those with a bise_xual orientation DO have a "choice"?

Although se_xual orientation's dynamics aren't fully understood, doesn't it seem plausible that one's early choices/experiences, when positively reinforced over and over (orga_sms feel pretty good), can alter somewhat the orientation one otherwise might have had?

[gcruse]

So you think you can be talked into mental illness?
I think my infrastructure is sounder than that, personally.

[nmh]

"So you've met every homosexual there is and determined not one is happy?"

To the contrary. They desperately want to be happy but do not find it in a same sex relationship.

"The gays I know seem to be a lot happier than the people going around screaming and moaning about how gay people aren't happy."

No offense but you don't know them very well. I also don't scream and moan about anyones unhappiness. It's a shame when anyone is unhappy and especially those claiming to be "gay".

"BTW, bearing false witness is a sin but the good news is, you can change!"

LOL! Atleast you have a sense of humor. It is those that say being "gay" is normal that "bear false witness" or that they can't become normal heterosexuals. That's a tragedy to wish homosexuality to anyone for their short life on this earth and eternity in an unspeakable place for being "gay" , by CHOICE.

[Tiger_eye]

The disgusting homos are tearing the very fabric of society apart. They are filled with disease because of their filthy behavior now they want to go camping with boy scouts. They are a scourge on this country and the world.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

While I tend to believe that most fags are born that way and the rest are mentally ill, it's not really the gay agenda as much as a splinter of the socialist agenda.

Socialists first wave of attack is against the morals and culture of their intended victim. Deifying homos is just part of the destruction of the total culture.

[gcruse]

Gcruse, are you gay?

Good lord, no.  Do I have to be gay to defend human rights?
I am also against the war on drugs.  Does that mean I am a
doper? I am not.  I am pro-choice, and can't even get pregnant.

[Paradox]

Good post Pogo, pretty much what I am referring to. Also, is there a reason you split up the word (or word fragment) "sex" as "se_x"? Just curious.

[LanPB01]

Why won't the gay issue just die on FreeRepublic? I'll never understand the obsession.

[ClearCase_guy]

Well, good on ya. Do note, please, that "talked into" is a euphemism. An adult who is respected and looked up to by a young boy can "talk" the boy into homosexuality without using any words more than grunting. Which is why homosexual clergy and scout masters should be banned. It's not really the "discussions" or "talking" that has people worried.

But you knew that.

[ElkGroveDan]

This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. If you don't believe that, try changing your own.

No Mr. smarty pants, not me. But try it on a confused thirteen-year-old in the midst of puberty. Find someone gawky, and dorky who doesn't fit in. Explain to him that he doesn't get the girls because he's gay, and how loved and accepted he'll be if he tries something new and different.

Ex-gays will tell you how it all works. I've seen it happen too. Sick, sick, sick.

[gcruse]

Why won't the gay issue just die on FreeRepublic? I'll never understand the obsession

I look for it to go away about the same time the concealed carry in Minnesota posts do.

[r9etb]

Anybody who says there's no "gay agenda" has never seen the inside of contemporary church politics, where the agenda is twofold: to force through same-sex blessings (i.e., "marriage) and the ordination to the clergy of practicing homosexuals.

To that end, there is a cross-denominational organization that uses common funding, wording, and tactics. In the Episcopal church they call their lobbying group "Integrity," and IIRC it's "Dignity" in the Catholic church. The Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Methodists are all trying to deal with their versions of the same organization.

Beyond that, the campaign is well integrated with the secular political agenda -- which of course uses common words and tactics (I don't know about funding).

One need not be against the gay agenda to name it for what it is. They are a group of people who want us to accept their sexual tastes. To that end, they argue that because their urges are innate, we must accept them as normal, and even celebrate their sexual orientation.

[Dr Warmoose]

The idea that it's genetic is nothing more than a cop-out by the pro-gay lobby.

They may want to back out of that one too, especially if society gets to the point of designer genetic children. If there was a "gay gene", and prospective parents decided not to raise a pervert in their house, then that child may become murdered through an abortion. (ahh, the fun with flexible morality)

It is in the best interests of homosexuals to either start now and ban genetic testing for "queerness" or declare "we don't know" in regards to how one's sexual orientation is acquired. Personally I am a fan of the "sin nature" theory.

[thoughtomator]

PARENTAL FAILURE RATIONALIZATION ALERT

[gcruse]

An adult who is respected and looked up to by a young boy can "talk" the boy into homosexuality without using any words more than grunting.

I bow to your expertise, I suppose.  So all those altar boys are gay now?

[ElkGroveDan]

So you're saying you can be talked out of your sexual orientation?

Paradox is saying that you can be talked out of perverse behavior that is sometimes passed off as an immutable characteristic under the concept of something called "sexual oriantation".

[pogo101]

Also, is there a reason you split up the word (or word fragment) "sex" as "se_x"? Just curious.

I suppose I'm concerned that a post will either (1) be picked up by my server's net nanny or (2) be blocked by someone else's.

Now that I've quoted your statement, I'm outta luck, however. :P

[nmh]

I'm glad you aren't ... however just because it is a lifestyle choice doesn't mean it is the RIGHT one. The same is true about abortion, drug use, illegal or addictive perscription drugs etc... is it the RIGHT choice?

[Dr Warmoose]

Anybody who says there's no "gay agenda" has never seen the inside of contemporary church politics...They are a group of people who want us to accept their sexual tastes.

Does that mean adultery and every other form of sexual perversion is OK within those denominations?

There is "Dignity" in the homosexual lifestyle that hangs out in public restrooms and parks looking for anonymous sex?