ACLU asks federal judge to dismiss case against man-boy sex group

freedom forum ^ | 7.18.03 | The Associated Press

[freepatriot32]

Barbara Curley stands next to photos of her son, Jeffrey Curley, at her home in Cambridge, Mass., in 1998. Jeffrey was kidnapped and killed in October 1997.

BOSTON — A group that promotes sex between men and boys asked a federal judge yesterday to dismiss a lawsuit brought by the parents of 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley, who was murdered by one of the group's members.

Curley was killed on Oct. 1, 1997. Salvatore Sicari, of Cambridge, was convicted of first-degree murder in the case, while Charles Jaynes, of Brockton and Manchester, N.H., was convicted of second-degree murder and kidnapping.

Last year, the boy's parents, Barbara and Robert Curley, filed a $200 million wrongful death lawsuit against the North American Man/Boy Love Association, claiming Jaynes was incited by the group.

In court yesterday, lawyers with the Massachusetts chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, which is defending NAMBLA in the lawsuit, said that even though many people may find the group's beliefs repugnant, its publications and Web site are protected under First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech.

"We contend that the First Amendment was intended to apply exactly to organizations like this. If we can't protect their rights, then the rights of other organizations are all at risk," said John Reinstein, legal director of the Massachusetts ACLU chapter.

Lawrence Frisoli, a lawyer for the Curleys, said the boy's death was a direct result of the encouragement Jaynes received from NAMBLA to sexually attack young boys.

"The lawsuit is about NAMBLA training Charles Jaynes to rape kids," Frisoli said.

Prosecutors said the men lured the boy from his Cambridge neighborhood with the promise of a new bike, then smothered him with a gasoline-soaked rag when he resisted their sexual advances.

The men molested and suffocated the boy before stuffing his body into a concrete-filled container and dumping it in the Great Works River, in South Berwick, Maine.

The lawsuit alleges that Jaynes joined NAMBLA in the fall of 1996, read the group's publications and Web site and "became obsessed with having sex with and raping young male children."

The suit also alleges that Jaynes viewed the NAMBLA Web site shortly before he and Sicari lured the boy. The suit does not allege that Sicari was a member of the group.

"Can NAMBLA be held responsible for Jaynes' conduct based on these allegations? No," Reinstein said.

Barbara Curley, the boy's mother, said the lawsuit is aimed at exposing NAMBLA.

"They got him interested in little boys and taught him how to lure little boys," she said. "They don't fall under the First Amendment rights at all."

U.S. District Judge George O'Toole took the request to dismiss the lawsuit under advisement. He did not say when he would issue his ruling.

Sicari is serving a life sentence without parole. Jaynes can seek parole in 22 years.
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[I_Love_My_Husband]

Here it is, the PROOF!

ACLU defends NAMBLA!

In addition, how come we didn't hear about THIS case in the news ad infinatum, like Matthew Shepard? It's because the newsmedia wants us to think gays are just like you and I, they're harmless really.

But we know, it's complete utter BS.

[CatoRenasci]

go get 'em!

I first heard of NAMBLA more than 20 years ago from gay friends in LA -- they were digusted by it and trying to get other gays and straights they knew to oppose it in its infant stages. Almost everyone they talked to about it thought NAMBLA was just a joke, and gave my friends a bad time about being alarmists. Pity more people wouldn't listen.

[CCCV]

American Civil Liberties Union, which is defending NAMBLA in the lawsuit,
Your KIDDING!!(Sarcasm off)
Why am I not suprised. Where are they when people try and talk to the young ladies going into the abortion clinics? We can kill them before they see the light of day, we can rape and murder them, no wonder they are confused! If that's "The Village" that Hillary was speaking of then count me out.

[Semper Paratus]

The perps of this crime are doing very hard time at MCI Cedar Junction (aka Walpole). A prison guard called into a talk show and said they are not having a good time there.

[joesnuffy]

ACLU.... so concerned about their invented separation of church and state
taking God out of the Pledge
incessant lobbying making school prayer illegal
The harrassing of kids who want to bring their bibles to school
defender of the sickest most vile sexual predators ...

What a great addition to our culture these atheist bass turds are...

[Enterprise]

Imagine the national furor if the headline read, "ACLU asks federal judge to dismiss case against man-girl sex group." We wouldn't tolerate the existance of such a group in this nation if it involved girls, and we should be equally as outraged that these monsters target young boys. It doesn't surprise me AT ALL that the ACLU is taking the lead in this.

[Radix]

they are not having a good time there

Walpole is too good for people such as them. They raped the boy, murdered him, put him in a weighted box, and threw the box with him in it over a bridge into a river.

Those degenerates should have been executed years ago.

[ampat]

Does anyone know what, if any, redeeming words there are in a lawyer's oath after passing the bar? Certainly, in so many words, its says" Do whatever it takes to get your client off", and I suspect, nowhere is there any reference to justice.

[freepatriot32]

Barbara Curley stands next to photos of her son, Jeffrey Curley, at her home in Cambridge, Mass., in 1998. Jeffrey was kidnapped and killed in October 1997.

[bigfootbob]

Braggadocio Bill O'Reilly has championed this case for several years now, with good cause. He'll address the movement in the case I'm sure.

My rather large gut has a BAD feeling about this case. If the case was being held in Arkansas, (site of another NAMBLA inspired vicious homosexual gang rape and murder on a pubescent male, Jesse Dirkheising), a saner verdict would be reached. In the land of the Kennedy, a decision against NAMBLA is a long shot.

[F16Fighter]

An ethical or moral wrong can always be measured by the ACLU's position on ANY given issue...

Shame on Bob Barr for ANY affiliation with this heinous so-called "liberties" advocacy group.

[Lion in Winter]

F16Fighter,

Wasn't some white supremist group sued by a group of blacks because the blacks felt that the group instigated racial violence and hatred. The group of blacks won a money judgement, I believe.

Well, the same should go for this namla group, then. They instigate the abuse of minor boys.

[ikka]

Last year, the boy's parents, Barbara and Robert Curley, filed a $200 million wrongful death lawsuit against the North American Man/Boy Love Association, claiming Jaynes was incited by the group.

Here is my question: what is the difference between this lawsuit and the RICO lawsuit against the pro-life organization? Why did the ACLU not step forward and defend the pro-lifers? I think we know the reason why.

[Dane]

The ACLU showing their true beliefs.

Also many of the "Libertarian Right" on FR, IMO, praise everything the ACLU does.

No surprise there.

[FourPeas]

Disgusted bump.

[Mamzelle]

Thanks for the post. The ACLU is truly disgusting...

[goldstategop]

The ACLU thinks pedophilia is chic but works to stamp out God in America. Its their interpretation of the First Amendment that's twisted. If at least they were consistent in their defense of unpopular views they would have more credibility.

[Rodney King]

The lawsuit alleges that Jaynes joined NAMBLA in the fall of 1996...

The suit does not allege that Sicari was a member of the group.

How can it allege both of these things? Most likely, the reporter is an idiot.

[VOA]

...how come we didn't hear about THIS case in the news ad infinatum, like Matthew Shepard?

But...the Curley case has been covered well on The Coral Ridge Hour, in the 10-15 minute
segment that runs after the sermon by the Coral Ridge pastor, D. James Kennedy.
The hi-jinks of the ACLU get coverage on that show every couple of months.

D. James Kennedy and his somewhat theatric style may not be my cup of tea, but the
Coral Ridge does a good job of covering current affairs of interest to Christians. And they
often include opposition interviews, e.g., with Ira Glasser of the ACLU.

[F16Fighter]

"Wasn't some white supremist group sued by a group of blacks because the blacks felt that the group instigated racial violence and hatred. The group of blacks won a money judgement, I believe."

I don't recall, but it's quite possible.

There seems to be a rash of "Unequal Protection" cases proliferating the judiciary that hinge on which way the political winds are blowing.

[thegreatbeast]

Would you be meaning that guy Dees and his Southern Law Center (or something like it)? They sued the Klan and the Metzgers for something similar and won huge monetary judgements.

[SandRat]

Now we know why the ACLU hates the Boy Scouts so much. The Scouts have standards for what is and what is not considered acceptable; and they are high standards that all are demanded to meet or they are either gone or cannot come in!

[JoJo Gunn]

I truly believe that GLSEN is closely associated with this bunch of perverts, considering their zeal in spreading degeneracy in elementary schools! GLSEN should be investigated at the Federal level from top to bottom.

[breakem]

Seems like they could be convicted on the basis of conspiracy. Kind of like mafioso.

[TheAngryClam]

Easy:

Jaynes is the link to NAMBLA that the lawyers are saying makes the organization liable.

Sicari was just a sicko along for the ride.

They're two different people, after all.

[GailA]

ditto

[Rodney King]

Woops. I misread the whole thing. Thanks.

[TheAngryClam]

Sure.

[atomic conspiracy]

Like the hapless and delusional Bob Barr, I once believed that ACLU was a necessary shield for Constitutional rights, even when this required unpopular stands.

I first came into conflict with the organization over their dogmatic policy of attacking relatively minor, and often personal, examples of religious symbolism. I was agnostic at the time, but I did not see that such things as a Nativity Scene or a Ten Commandments plaque represented a threat. Rather, they were symbols of our collective cultural heritage and their exclusion would represent a kind of censorship: the attempt to prohibit this kind of expression seemed to be the greater threat.

I realized that the ACLU's perception of a threat was based on a fundamental component of the left/liberal worldview: that every action and word associated with government and its employees should carry the weight of law. They were interpreting these displays in terms of what the displays would mean if THEY were running things.

This is true of the Pledge of Allegiance as well. "Under God" is officially "endorsed" according to ACLU and therefore carries the weight of authority by virtue of emanating from an official source. This is projection, nothing more. Liberals want this kind of authority to apply to their own pronouncements, and assume that it does, so they must project it onto the actions of others. Remember this when you hear about LL indoctrination in, say, multi-culturalism or Kennedy/Roosevelt hagiography.

[LiteKeeper]

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[scott91]

i first heard of nambla from Revenge of the nerds.

[scripter]

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[Houmatt]

You should know Jeff Curley was actually murdered, sodomized, and his body dumped. In that order.

A couple years back, Frisoli also produced a "rape and escape" manual, (on the FNC show, The O'Reilly Factor) which is made available from NAMBLA, via its website.

Regardless of what the ACLU says, free speech does not mean you can give people instructions on how to commit crimes. Paladin Press knows this, as does Mike Diana.

[First Amendment]

"We contend that the First Amendment was intended to apply exactly to organizations like this. If we can't protect their rights, then the rights of other organizations are all at risk," said John Reinstein, legal director of the Massachusetts ACLU chapter.

I haven't read the comments yet. I am seriously enraged. The ACLU is if anything worse than NAMBLA. They are fiends and those of right mind have to fight them with every weapon at our disposal.

Here is a website dedicated to fighting this evil: www.defendthefamily.com. I don't have much money to donate (I will help FR next time! I promise!) But I just donated to Defend the Family. They are a pro-family anti-homosexual agenda legal organization affiliated with Scott Lively (author of "The Pink Swastika"). In case any reading this don't know of that book, you should read it. The entire text is online at www.abidingtruth.com.

[Cachelot]

Pedophilia as a civil right? Gee, maybe someone ought to go after the ACLU.

[saradippity]

What do you read in the Boston papers about this currently?

I remember reading about it when it happened and being appalled and sick. It seemed to me that it was so dark, ugly,horrific and sinister and I expected to read a lot more about it.Little follow up out here by the local paper and didn't see anything in Time or Newsweek either.

Do any of you recall the reaction of the people in Boston at the time? How about the newspaper?

[Wondervixen]

If the ACLU wants to keep Church and State separate, I say we fight to keep ACLU and Perverts separate.

[savagesusie]

Bill O'Reilly brought this case up in his show and sided with the parents of the boy and was disgusted with the ACLU. I hope they lose and this will be the start of the destruction of this organization, esp. if others follow their lead and sue this organization if any material of theirs (NAMBLA) is found in the vile rapists' possession. Through the courts is the way to destroy them--they have no "freedom of speech" to incite the rape and murder of boys and it is time for the courts to hold them responsible for their ideas that they diseminate to the predators of little boys.

[Jimmy Valentine]

So should the ACLU

[pageonetoo]

I still think that an anvil and a ball peen hammer, or small sledge, would be a good place to start on their testicles. After making tartar of them, send him to the lockup, and bunk him with Bruno, or some other real big deviate. Let justice prevail!

[scripter]

Banned freeper madg used to complain about us bringing up NAMBLA, stating they were no longer current or in business because the copyright date on their website was old. Then I did some digging and found out NAMBLA was current (they were updating their website) but hadn't updated their copyright date.

Since then NAMBLA has updated their copyright to 2003 which anybody can see for themselves: NAMBLA. Obviously they are current, in business and still pushing their agenda.

[maryz]

What do you read in the Boston papers about this currently?

I don't recall seeing anything lately in the Herald, and I haven't gotten the Globe in years.

Even when it happened, I don't recall the saturation coverage that more politically correct news items get; I think it did get more coverage than it would have, however, if the boy's father hadn't gone after NAMBLA. And I think I remember hearing at the time that, upon the filing of the suit against NAMBLA, they removed the "lessons" page cited from their website (so the curious who just heard of it on the news couldn't go to the site and see it no doubt).

If it's heating up again with the ACLU, I'll keep my eyes open.

[jhw61]

My reaction was rage. We almost had the death penalty here in Mass because of this case. At the last minute, a rep switched gears and it was defeated by that one vote. I'll never forget hearing that Jeffrey Curley had been found. I went to return some tapes at my local video store and his picture was still up in the front window. I informed the workers inside and asked them to promptly take it down.

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