Post-Sept. 11 security laws have colleges scrambling

Taipei Times ^ | 07.21.03

[TheAngryClam]

Oh those poor innocent foreigners.

Studying in the U.S. is a privilege, and if they can't enjoy it for whatever reason, tough.

[Enemy Of The State]

I know! I have been trying to practice my "concerned face" but I just can't seem to bullshit anyone with it :)

Gee, sooo many of the little suckers hate America so passionately, yet where do they want to come to study? Maybe its because our stinking government gives them more priviledges than they do our own people. Over half of the assistanceships at my university are foreigners.

[TheAngryClam]

I'm particularly a fan of most law schools' LLM programs, which are degrees specifically for foreigners.

Talk about a misallocation of resources.

[BlindedByTruth]

yep,I agree, hey, didn't some of the 09/11 bombers have student visa? We should screen all foreign students and enforce limits after they graduate

[Cindy]

speaking of high school and college...

SALT LAKE TRIBUNE: "HATCH'S EFFORTS FOR CHILDREN OF IMMIGRANTS PRAISED" By Shinika A. Sykes (July 18, 2003)

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "High school counselors and college admissions officers gathering in Salt Lake City expressed support Thursday for proposed federal legislation sponsored by Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch that would allow states to grant in-state college tuition rates to children of undocumented immigrants.
    The Dream Act would repeal a section of the 1996 immigration reform law that prohibits states from considering students whose parents are undocumented as residents of the state in order to receive in-state tuition rates.
    Some 75 members of the National Association for College Admission Counseling are meeting at the Little America Hotel through Sunday. The NACAC's membership is made up of more than 20,000 high school guidance counselors and college admission officers.
    "The Dream Act will provide full access to higher education for young immigrant students who have made high academic performance a part of their effort to achieve the American dream," said Joyce Smith, NACAC executive director.
    Hatch's spokeswoman said the senator plans to reintroduce the measure in the 108th Congress."
   
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "In 2002, Utah legislators passed a law that granted in-state tuition to children of undocumented immigrants who have completed at least three years in Utah high schools. After the Utah measure passed, a legal opinion said Utah schools could begin granting the tuition break even if the federal law had not been repealed."
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jul/07182003/utah/76388.asp

[HadEnough]

"These students are anxious and angry with us ... and wow, it's killing us"

This all about GREED. Not only do these selfish pricks NOT care about the foreign students, they care even LESS about the security of the United States. Also keep in mind that at ALL taxpayer supported universities (state), student tuition only pays for a small portion of the operating costs. The local taxpayers foot the remainder of the bill.

These same greedy traitors are also the biggest supporters of criminal alien's attending "their" universities at the same cost as in-state kids of taxpayers. Ooops, I forgot they are really just "undocumented workers".

[Enemy Of The State]

My personal view is that we should limit the subjects foreigners are allowed to study in US universities to those areas of Medicine, Civil Engineering, Non-nuclear sciences, ect...basically, areas which do not teach them to go home and use their knowledge to build nuclear and biological weapons to use against us.

by not doing so, we are only cutting our noses off to spite our faces.

[HadEnough]

My personal view is that they should not be here at all. That solves ALL the aforementioned problems in this post.

America's universities were invaded back in the 1920's and have never really recovered. At least back then, the agents were Communists dispatched by Stalin.

Nowadays, the second generation, American born version controls the universities so it is easy to see why they are in favor of more of the same.

[College Repub]

Who would want a foreign lawyer?

[College Repub]

I just graduated. There were many from India and Saudi Arabia at my university. Most were studying business or engineering. Nearly all of them were VERY wealthy as far as I could tell...

[TheAngryClam]

Most state bars don't accept the LLM as equivalent to the JD in order to sit for the bar.

These degrees are mostly so they can go back to whatever country they were originally a practicing lawyer in and now have studied American law.

So in other words, you support the state schools having these with your taxes, and never see any actual work out of those people.

[austinTparty]

Yep. Don't allow any foreigners to study at U.S. universities. And what's more: Don't allow any Americans to receive any of those stupid Rhodes or Fulbright scholarships. What the hell do they need to learn outside of the US anyway? Isn't their own country good enough?

We don't need professional cooperation in the sciences or medicine or anything else, because nothing good ever came out of a foreign country. Foreign Service officers shouldn't even be required to know a foreign language, let alone a foreign culture, because all they've got to do is telephone from their desks to all those foreign countries and tell those other countries what's what.

Why stop there? No more allowing foreign companies to invest in the United States, because that means we have to let in foreigners--especially engineers and chemists and doctors, because they could learn something that could harm U.S. security. Marriages between U.S. citizens and foreigners should also be null and void--they could just be marrying U.S. citizens to get green cards and learn important state secrets. Time to put up a wall and not let anybody in or out.

Granted, the Soviet sphere tried all this before. But it's different when it's us.

[College Repub]

What does American law matter in any of those countries?

[TheAngryClam]

When you're the world's economic powerhouse that nearly every country on earth sends goods too, and many multinational corporations have operations in, a familiarity with U.S. Customs, Immigration, Taxation, and particularly Contract (since many U.S. firms demand a "choice of law" clause that stipulates American commercial law apply to disputes) law are important fields to be familiar with.

Same reason that having some familiarity with Chinese, Japanese, or EU law is useful for many American attorneys.

[HadEnough]

I totally agree with your proposal, no sarcasm intended.

In fact, I would hope that you would be the first of many to actively demonstrate the feasibility of your proposal!

[austinTparty]

Well, only problem is what would I do with the little half-breeds I already have? Hmm. Perhaps you are an adherent to Peter Sanger's moral philosophy...?

I just wonder which tribe you were born into---Ojibwa, Cherokee, Pueblo?

[HadEnough]

Please take all your half-breeds with you. I am already supporting hundreds, perhaps thousands, of parasite families.

[austinTparty]

Interesting. You are assuming that YOU are supporting ME or MY children? Parasite family? Where in the H-E-double hockey sticks do you get that idea? On a percentage and odds basis, it's very highly likely I pay way more into the system than you do. You are unworthy to lick the dirt from the soles of my children's feet, you smarmy ba$tard.

[austinTparty]

Look here.