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To: JohnGalt
Let's analyze your response:

You just hate being thought of as a sheep so you aggressively challenge anyone who calls you on it.

To the contrary, I am delighted to be called a sheep by people who view Goering as a deep and important thinker. I would hate to be admired or applauded by such people.

Truth is very rare in life, so most of settle for the things we know: our family, our ancestors, and for some of us, accepting Christ.

Perhaps you live in a world of shifting fantasies detached from verity, but in the real world truth is not "rare" it is easily accessible through logic and rational analysis. I love my family, I'm proud of ancestors and I serve the Lord - but none of these natural sentiments conflict with the application of right reason to political and military exigencies. If this were so people "burdened" by familial, filial and religious piety would never have succeeded in building an enduring polity or waging a successful military campaign. Such a conclusion is demonstrably false.

To pretend that Mssr.Harris and Mssr.Pipes have insight into the 'real forces' that move the world and the tactics, which include destroying civilizations, that should be employed is anti-Western.

If your tortured syntax is deciphered correctly, you're telling me that Daniel Pipes' opinion is "anti-Western." A case could be made that it is contrary to the principles of the Voltairian Enlightenment, but it's hardly anti-Western. Actually, I'm reminded of the recommendation by certain constitutional theorists of Weimar Germany that both the Nazi and Communist parties be banned. They argued that since both parties' stated intent was to destroy the existing constitutional order, they should not be admitted into the constitutional process. Their opponents argued that it was "anti-constitutional" to disallow German citizens from trying to destroy the constitution. The Enlightenment ideal of perfect neutrality won out, and your buddy Goering strode onto the national scene.

Pipes rightly recognized that one cannot offer a place in the international order to a group that wants to destroy the international order. Just as the National Socialists, with their totalizing and murderous ideology were a cancer on the national body politic which should have been marginalized and punished, Islam as an ideology is a similar cancer on the community of nations.

Self-defense is an eminently rational response to reality.

He is just another Ivy League geek willing to make history on the backs of kids from Wisconsin and Iowa.

Here's a newsflash for you: my brother is an Ivy League-caliber "geek" (translation: someone far too intelligent to accept Goering into his pantheon of political idols) who chose a military career instead and who is now risking his life every day along with men (not "kids") from every state in the Union serving under his command.

He and they all know why they're there, many of them know who Daniel Pipes is and they agree with his analysis wholeheartedly.

It disgusts them that one of the byproducts of their self-sacrifice is keeping cowards like you safe from harm, but they are happy to fight for their families and for Americans who know the difference between good and evil (hint: Goering was not a good guy in their estimation).

69 posted on 07/24/2003 7:35:21 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
Where do you make the connection that I find Goering a deep intellectual thinker?

'"rare" it is easily accessible through logic and rational analysis.'

So said Karl Marx and the French revolutionaries, but I addressed that a little later.

"community of nations" ????


"It disgusts them that one of the byproducts of their self-sacrifice is keeping cowards like you safe from harm, but they are happy to fight for their families and for Americans who know the difference between good and evil "

Do you really want me to take this one apart? I will forgive that you are emotional about the subject but emotion is a danger to rational thought so I will leave it alone.

Just know I have friends on the frontline, too, and I hope they come home safe.

70 posted on 07/24/2003 7:41:38 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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