NBC NEWS: UDAY & Qusay Hussein "Likely" Captured Or Killed

MSNBC Live | 07-22-03

[steveegg]

It was odd that the History Channel had "The Sons of Saddam" on last night.

[boxerblues]

Hoohah its a great day in the neighborhood ....payback time for the 101st who lost 2 men over the weekend

[Tommyjo]

"Since this appears to have taken place in a house of their cousins, I guess it's possible that they could be other family members who look like them. I've seen other cousins who look a lot like Saddam."

Uday had a body-double who defected. He was recently interviewed and told the story of his 'double-life'. He was made to have surgery on his jaw and had his teeth altered to resemble Uday's.

Just been confirmed Uday and Qusay were killed today. Spokesman states multiple sources used in confirmation.
Rewards to be paid out to informant. Spokesman said that it was a 'walk-in' who gave the information in regards to the house and it's occupants.

[Catspaw]

This is GREAT! They're dead, dead, dead!!!! Buhbye, Qusay & Uday--enjoy hell.

[Catspaw]

Tomorrow, according to the Lt. General, there will be proof.

[NYC Republican]

British intelligence confirming

Didn't they supposedly come up with the Nigeria Yellowcake story?

[steveegg]

Didn't they supposedly come up with the Nigeria Yellowcake story?

Which they're sticking by.

In case you missed the last couple dozen posts, CentCom has confirmed that they are well and truly dead.

[bruinbirdman]

CentCom confirms a dude walked in and gave up the brothers. $15 million reward is a definite possibility.

yitbos

[CatoRenasci]

Strange you would have more than one round out of safe. At Sill, when you go out on a shoot (at least back in the '60s and '70s), the safety officer computes the safety diagram, where you can shoot and where you can't. That's in the FDC, and when coordinates come in that are out of safe, you can't fire them. Moreover, you would also have parameters for your sights, deflection and elevation out of which you could not shoot. One round out of safe, and that part of the range shuts down until the situation is dealt with. We had a number of out of safe incidents when I was at Sill, the worst was a NG battalion that was over on the East Range. They fired a battalion two (supposedly surveyed in, no adjusting fire) 3200 mils out of safe (yeah, 180 degrees). Thank God the rounds landed in the West Range after overflying the Post. The battalion commander was relieved, as were at least half a dozen other officers, including the shoot safety officer and the East Range safety officer for the day.

[NYC Republican]

In case you missed the last couple dozen posts, CentCom has confirmed that they are well and truly dead.

Thanks. Now I can pop open the cork and celebrate in earnest!

[Tommyjo]

Not Nigeria, but Niger. Niger is the country to the immediate north of Nigeria.

[VOA]

Didn't they supposedly come up with the Nigeria Yellowcake story?

After all the Democratic carping on this topic, I'm not sure of anything about
Niger (pronounced Knee-Jair), in case you haven't been to network television pronunciation
classes, and France have protested that the two companies controlling the
uranium are under strict control. And that Saddam couldn't have possibly
gotten uranium from that source without being detected.

France and officials of an African nation. Now there are two venerable, totally incorruptible,
never-known-to-lie groups you can trust.


But seriously, the Brits may have gotten some bad intelligence on Niger from the
French...originally, when everyone thought that Saddam was just going back to the
SAME suppliers who shipped him 200 tons of uranium material in the 1980s.

My point was that I suspect the Brits will simply take any intelligence the French
give to them, read it and laugh, then promptly toss it in the trash (know as
rubbish in the U.K.).

[MEGoody]

"And that Saddam couldn't have possibly gotten uranium from that source without being detected."

Well, since the reports said Saddam only attempted to obtain it, but was not successful and doing so. . .and, since there was intelligence that says he did attempt to. . .perhaps the French are right (for once).

[Darksheare]

They shut us down, checked our numbers, brought us back up, shut us down, checked our numbers, brought us back up.
FINALLY, they got the brilliant idea that the data wasn't bad on our end.

What often happened in FDC, if they weren't doing charts and darts, they were taking the data they received at face value.
After that, the young guys in FDC decided to do charts and darts just as a manual backup.
Sometimes the older ways were better.

We set up once in the middle of the night, 0130, during our captain's brainy 24 hour continuous operations on day two.
For some reason, all of our howitzers were nowhere near the aiming circle.
Couldn't even see it to find it.

The OC's shut us down until morning, the cap still wouldn't let us implement a sleep plan. Yes, he was a real winner.
Come morning light and stand to... all five guns were 1200 mils out.
Seems somewhere along the line someone screwed the pooch and gave the advance party guys the wrong numbers and no-one caught it from being fogheaded from lack of sleep.

I still remember having our safety T's completely screwed up once too.
EVERY number was wrong. We fired two rounds, each gun.
FDC called for a runner to send down all the safety T's. (we had them printed on acrylic cards)
We were then told, by an OC, that our safety T's were wrong!
He relieved our instant tension by telling us that were were in safe, and had hit the target.

I, being RTO, yelled down top FDC to get a new eye doctor.

I also remember firing from Battalion FDC, our FDC relaying to us the data, and THEY screwed up somewhere along the line. Seems they sent us firing data for Charlie Battery instead of our firing data. Charts and Darts caught that one.

We spent one whole day in checkfire once due to a wholly unrelated unit firing on bad data. But the range didn't shutdown, as evidenced by two other batteries firing at the same time.
Seems the unit that fired on bad data was next door to us and they wanted to make sure we hadn't fired it ourselves.

March of 2001, an artillery unit fired on bad data and killed a few infantry soldiers. I have the article somewhere, but basically it sounded like they were sent bad data from Battalion FDC. (I've heard tell of a few units doing away with charts and darts completely, like my unit had for awhile. Charts and darts will catch some screwups sometimes.)

Even with those screwups, they were few and far between, things were great.
Once we got to actually fire, we were slamming.
Usually, we sat in our firebase and baked while our cap had a urination contest with HQ and other stupid games.
My last AT, our cap wanted us to turn in rounds.
He left for a meeting, and the XO walks out and asks us what we thought of that garbage.
We all said the obvious thought, and he went back to FDC and called for some firemissions. We expended ALL ammo, even the blanks for our personal weapons.

The cap comes back from his meeting and claps his hands, then says: "Let's get ready to turn in all this ammo!"
We all look at him and say: "What ammo?"
He got red in the face and wandered all over the area looking for any rounds to turn in.

I guess it was mean to laugh at him for it.

[NYC Republican]

Not Nigeria, but Niger. Niger is the country to the immediate north of Nigeria

Yep, I knew that... Just didn't have my thinking hat on... Thanks for the correction...

[Darksheare]

Fort Drum.
I probably should have specified that one.
It currently has only one huge impact zone.
But an old map shows that it had three impact zones at one point.
Made for some interesting compass work in the places that used to be impact zones.

That's where we were shut down and 'kick started' repeatedly.
That's also where they had an artillery accident back in March 2001.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what happened in that one.
I wasn't there personally for that one, but it doesn't make sense from what I saw happen to us.

[Colofornian]

So this had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein after all -- this was nothing more than an assault on the Mosul headquarters of MOVE, right?

So this had nothing to do with Kobe Bryant after all--this was nothing more than an assault on a white woman, right? KOBENEWS OUTLET. KOBENEWS 24/7. We report, you decide.

[NYC Republican]

[VOA]

perhaps the French are right (for once).

Ok, maybe so.

But they are still a bunch of cheese-munchin', surrender-monkey loser-since-Waterloo
losers.

Of course, my feelings are more kindly to the French Foreign Legion, the Maquis,
and the Free French...

[Darksheare]

Fireworks.
We need some, they are confirmed to be room temperature.
*Yeeha!*
I would've preferred the artillery method, flatten the building.
But that wouldn't have left much to look at to ID.;-)