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The Gentile Holocaust
Foundation for Catholic Reform ^ | 1998 | Thomas Craughwell

Posted on 07/24/2003 3:00:19 PM PDT by As you well know...

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1 posted on 07/24/2003 3:00:19 PM PDT by As you well know...
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To: As you well know...
The way history is taught you would think only Jews died in Germany. I do not agree with revisionism on any side, or downgrading one group's role to build up someone else's.
2 posted on 07/24/2003 3:08:09 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm a mutt american)
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To: cyborg
But the simple fact remains: Jews by race, focus and number were the largest single group targeted and killed by the Nazis.
3 posted on 07/24/2003 3:13:08 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: txzman
I am going to disagree with you respecfully. There were many holocausts in the last 20th century. What makes the Jewish holocaust so special? I remember hearing 'never again' repeated ad nauseum but we all know that's crap. How many people have been killed in wars in Africa? What about what the Japanese did to the Chinese? Armenian holocaust...on and on.
4 posted on 07/24/2003 3:21:05 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm a mutt american)
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To: cyborg
I think the key issue is that the Jewish Holocaust was the first one that we SAW the results of in something approximating real life (photographic records, bureucratic records, et cetera), the sheer senselessness of it, the fact that many Americans were descended from RECENT immigrants from Central and Eastern Europe (and could say, "Holy cow, how could my kith and kin do or abide something as evil as THAT?"), the ONLY one where we actually managed to punish the perps, and that it set the tone for later Holocausts.

Just my humble opinion.

5 posted on 07/24/2003 3:26:51 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: As you well know...
SPOTREP
6 posted on 07/24/2003 3:31:43 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Poohbah
You are right. It is in recent memory. I suppose the reason why people do not pay more attention to things going on in Africa is because Africans do not have the same presence in this country. When I was visiting England, the BBC covered African news extensively while the American coverage is paltry. You can watch BET channel but you only get the liberal POV.

I just wonder why there is not the same zeal for other causes. Maybe it's because there are not any films, pictures, or extensive in your face coverage.
7 posted on 07/24/2003 3:35:11 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm a mutt american)
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To: cyborg
Perhaps the difference is that the jews were the first targets of INDUSTRIAL extermination.
8 posted on 07/24/2003 3:43:05 PM PDT by tet68
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To: cyborg
The only books I ever saw on the Rwandan holocaust were (a) a short policy-wonk book of essays by a journalist who'd been there that maybe sold ten copies nationwide, and (b) the novel Peacemaker by Gordon Kent (a naval techno/espionage thriller written by a father/son writing team--they've published four novels under the "Gordon Kent pseudonym, I've read three, they're all DAMN good writing) used it as one of the important settings.

The former did not sell. The latter sold respectably well, but not Tom Clancy levels.

IIRC, Bruce Willis' movie Tears of the Sun featured Rwanda as its setting.

I think a LOT of why the Holocaust remained big was that GI Joe saw the remains with his own eyes and said, in a very somber anticipation of mhking, "Just damn." When GI Joe came home, he wanted to understand it.

9 posted on 07/24/2003 3:49:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: tet68
Another fine point. Germany--the home of such great thinkers as Schiller, Kant, and Goethe--actually set out to industrialize the killing of their fellows. It's not just that Hitler said, "Make it happen," it's that a bunch of industrial engineers said, "Okey-dokey."
10 posted on 07/24/2003 3:50:50 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: tet68
That is what I was taught in temple classes, but I wonder if we have really learned much. Maybe I am just having a cynical day, or PMS.
11 posted on 07/24/2003 3:51:15 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm a mutt american)
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To: Poohbah
Even Tears of the Sun got criticized because Bruce Willis was protrayed as the great white savior of Africa. I did not see the movie, but that never occured to me. I've read many holocaust biographies of German Jews seeing black people (US soldiers) for the first time. I doubt that the soldiers' color mattered much then. Doesn't it make you wonder what the effect did seeing the camps have on soldiers returning home? Especially with Americans own racial issues... I wonder if that's why segregation and racism disappeared so fast after thar WW2 generation.
12 posted on 07/24/2003 3:57:18 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm a mutt american)
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To: As you well know...; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
When the Mass concluded, the priests sang the hymn which became their anthem in Dachau, Christus vincit!

Thank you for a most fascinating history lesson. Interesting to note that the Jews have established Holocaust museums and memorials, determined that "we must never forget!". Christians, it would seem, have chosen to put this brutal period of history behind them and move on.

CHRISTUS VINCIT
Christ King of Glory

Acclamations VIII Cent.
Ambrosian Chant (Variant)

Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!
Exaudi, Christe. Ecclesiae Sanctae Dei salus perpetua.
Redemptor mundi, Tu illam adjuva!

Christ Lord of glory, Christ Prince of nations, Christ our King of kings!
Christ Jesus, hear us. Perpetual safety and welfare to the Church of God. Redeemer, Savior.
Assist and strengthen her.

1. Sancta Maria: Tu illam adjuva!
O Mary blessed Mother. Assist and strengthen her.

2. Sancte Joseph: Tu illam adjuva!
Joseph holy guardian. Assist and strengthen her.

3. Sancte Michael Tu illam adjuva!
Blessed Michael patron Assist and strengthen her.

Optional (Sancte Patricii: Tu illam adjuva!)
Blessed Saint Patrick: Assist and strengthen her.

All repeat: Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!

Exaudi, Christe. Pio summo Pontifici et universali
Papae vita! Salvator mundi, Tu illum adjuva!

Christ Jesus hear us.
Life and health and blessings to Pope Pius our Holy Father.
Redeemer Savior, Assist and strengthen him.

1. Sancte Petre, Tu illum adjuva! 1. Rex regum!
Blessed Peter, Assist and strengthen him. King of kings.

2. Sancte Paule, Tu illum adjuva!
2. Rex noster!
Blessed Paul, assist and strengthen him. Christ our King

3. Spes nostra!
Christ our hope.

Repeat: Christus Vincit! etc.

Gloria nostra, Misericordia nostra! Auxilium nostrum!
Fortitudo nostra, Ar ma nostra invictissima!
Murus noster inexpugnabilis! Defensio et exaltatio nostra!

Lux, Via, et Vita nostra! Ipsi soli imperium, Laus et
jubilatio per infinita saecula saeculorum. Amen.

Jesus our glory, Fountain of grace and all mercy.
Source of all our blessing. Defender in battle, Strong arm of our God invincible.
Our stronghold and our exaltation.
Our captain leader who has won our salvation.

Christ Jesus, our life and light eternal. To Him only is victory all praise and jubilation.
Through all the endless ages of eternity. Amen.

Tempora bona veniant! Pax Christi veniat! Redemptis Sanguine Christi: Feliciter!
Regnum Christi veniat! Deo Gratias! Amen.

Abundance of good things be ours. The peace of Christ be ours.
Redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Proclaim our joy.
May His holy kingdom come. Praise be to our God Amen.

13 posted on 07/24/2003 4:12:54 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: cyborg; Poohbah
There are a couple of differences between the mass murder of Jews and non-Jews. One is the sheer vitriolic hatred of the Nazis for the Jews, and the fact that such hatred did not just arise spontaneously - it is the end product of a couple thousand years of Anti-Semitism. The Nazis harvested an evil crop that had been planted hundreds of years before in very fertile soil. Another difference is that for many of the non-Jewish victims, their murder was related to something that they had voluntarily chosen, like a profession or an action. If a particular person was not a priest, for example, then they wouldn't have been taken away, but since that person was in a position to harm the Nazis (due to their actual or implied leadership role), they became targets. Jews, on the other hand, couldn't even escape the gas chambers if their grandparents had converted to Christianity. Yet another difference is the sheer scale of the slaughter: nearly 50% of all Jews living on the continent of Europe in August of 1939 (and 1/3 of all Jews anywhere), did not live to see June of 1945. No other group suffered such grievous losses.

At the same time as I hold the views noted above, I as a human being and a Jew do not minimize the deliberate murder of non-Jews or the monstrous crimes that the Nazis committed in murdering them. Included among the victims of the Nazis must also be those in all nations who perished directly fighting the war started by them (i.e. soldiers) and the many millions of civilians who were the "collateral damage" of that era. But for Hitler and his followers, upwards of 45 million people would have lived normal lifespans. Their descendants would likely number 100-200 million today, and untold billions in the centuries to come. The extent of such evil is beyond comprehension.
14 posted on 07/24/2003 4:16:09 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
And who knows what one of those 100-200 million people alive today would have done?

Cured cancer?

Discovered some previously unknown law of physics?

Had an idea that became an engineering marvel?

Written a play, or a novel, or a poem that touched deeply on the eternal questions of life?

Burrowed through dusty archives and brought up new information and perspectives on history?
15 posted on 07/24/2003 4:21:54 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: txzman
But why do Jews ignore the horrific numbers killed by the Nazis?
16 posted on 07/24/2003 4:27:56 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: tet68
Perhaps the difference is that the jews were the first targets of INDUSTRIAL extermination.

And it was not tribal in nature, as in the case of Rwanda, nor strictly ethnic. Jews were targeted in Nazi Germany as much for the position they occupied in German society as they were for their ethnicity. An analogy would be a pogrom by blacks against Korean shopowners, auslanders who prosper while the locals fail. In an odd way, it may be possible to look at it like a Marxist revolution, with the propaganda far outstripping the reality.

17 posted on 07/24/2003 4:30:36 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Poohbah
To this you can add: we have never see the evidence of Societ and Chinese slaughter first hand, and somehow even the slaughter in Cambodia--which we did see--is discounted by people who refuse to see that the "killing fields" have a connection with marxism.
18 posted on 07/24/2003 4:33:25 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: As you well know...; Patrick Madrid; Patty Bonds

ST. MAXIMILIAN KOLBE
Kolbe is the patron saint of our difficult century.

Arrested with several of his brothers on 19 September 1939 following the Nazi invasion of Poland. Others at the monastery were briefly exiled, but the prisoners were released on 8 December 1939, and the men returned to their work. Back at Niepokalanow he continued his priestly ministry, The brothers housed 3,000 Polish refugees, two-thirds of whom were Jewish, and continued their publication work, including materials considered anti-Nazi. For this work the presses were shut down, the congregation suppressed, the brothers dispersed, and Maximilian was imprisoned in Pawiak prison, Warsaw, Poland on 17 February 1941.

On 28 May 1941 he was transferred to Auschwitz and branded as prisoner 16670. He was assigned to a special work group staffed by priests and supervised by especially vicious and abusive guards. His calm dedication to the faith brought him the worst jobs available, and more beatings than anyone else. At one point he was beaten, lashed, and left for dead. The prisoners managed to smuggle him into the camp hospital where he spent his recovery time hearing confessions. When he returned to the camp, Maximilian ministered to other prisoners, including conducting Mass and delivering communion using smuggled bread and wine.

In July 1941 there was an escape from the camp. Camp protocol, designed to make the prisoners guard each other, required that ten men be slaughtered in retribution for each escaped prisoner. Francis Gajowniczek, a married man with young children was chosen to die for the escape. Maximilian volunteered to take his place, and died as he had always wished - in service.

19 posted on 07/24/2003 4:36:58 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: cyborg
What do you mean "thats crap"?

Please elaborate.

20 posted on 07/24/2003 4:39:52 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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To: RobbyS
"But why do Jews ignore the horrific numbers killed by the Nazis?"

They don't.

But when your entire people has been singled out for extermination, it kind of gets your attention. Especially considering that the effort met with considerable success.

21 posted on 07/24/2003 4:46:05 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: As you well know...

Blessed EDITH STEIN

Born on October 12, 1891, of Jewish parents, Siegried Stein and Auguste Courant, in Breslau, Germany, Edith Stein from her earliest years showed a great aptitude for learning, and by the time of the outbreak of World War I, she had studied philology and philosophy at the universities of Breslau and Goettingen.

In the midst of all her studies, Edith Stein was searching not only for the truth, but for Truth itself and she found both in the Catholic Church, after reading the autobiography of Saint Teresa of Avila. She was baptized on New Year’s Day, 1922.

It was not until the Nazi persecution of the Jews brought her public activities and her influence in the Catholic world to a sudden close that her Benedictine spiritual director gave his approval to her entering the Discalced Carmelie Nuns’ cloistered community at Cologne-Lindenthal on 14 October 1933. The following April, Edith received the Habit of Carmel and the religious name of "Teresia Benedicta ac Cruce," and on Easter Sunday, 21 April 1935, she made her Profession of Vows.

When the Jewish persecution increased in violence and fanaticism, Sister Teresa Benedicta soon realized the danger that her presence was to the Cologne Carmel, and she asked and received permission to transfer to a foreign monastery. On the night of 31 December 1938, she secretly crossed the border into Holland where she was warmly received in the Carmel of Echt. There she wrote her last work, The Science of the Cross.

Her own Cross was just ahead of her, for the Nazis had invaded neutral Holland, and when the Dutch bishops issued a pastoral letter protesting the deportation of the Jews and the expulsion of Jewish children from the Catholic school system, the Nazis arrested all Catholics of Jewish extraction in Holland. Edith was taken from the Echt Carmel on 2 August 1942, and transported by cattle train to the death camp of Auschwitz, the conditions in the box cars being so inhuman that many died or went insane on the four day trip. She died in the gas chambers at Auschwitz on 9 August 1942.

22 posted on 07/24/2003 4:47:00 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: Sam Cree
And I think one difference between the "gentile" holocaust and the Jewish one is that the effort was not to *exterminate* all gentiles, but more to purify them.
23 posted on 07/24/2003 4:47:58 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: txzman
But the simple fact remains: Jews by race, focus and number were the largest single group targeted and killed by the Nazis

The Jewish death toll from a Nazis was about 6 million. The death toll of Ukranians from Stalin's deliberate genocide-famine campaign in 1932-33 was between 6 and 7 million. The total Soviet murder statistics dwarf the Nazis.

The bottom line is that murder-by-government in Europe in the first half of the 20th Century was huge by any historical measure. It was not exclusively all about the Jews

24 posted on 07/24/2003 4:49:44 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === will work for food)
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To: txzman; cyborg
But the simple fact remains: Jews by race, focus and number were the largest
single group targeted and killed by the Nazis.


I think, at least here in the USA, we are moving to a better telling of what the
heck the Nazis conceived and executed, with the help of all their fellow travelers
(average German in the German Army, volunteers from a score of other countries/regions).

One of the better tellings I've seen was "Stories to Remember" this spring on
PBS (KCET/Los Angeles). It was funded by some foundation via a university center
(I can't remember which one; I think it was somewhere on the East Coast).

It did center mostly on the suffering of European Jews who survived WWII, whether
through camps, living in the wild, or traveling with partisans.
AND the show included personal testimony from captured American military personnel who
saw some of the camp guards torture their fellow troops.
AND an interview with a fellow who'd been a sold-out-for-Adolph Hitler Jugend
(too young for combat, I think), and him eloquently admitting his shame at his
former identity.

I don't blame the Jews at large for bringing up the topic all the time...if I'd been
among the Jewish survivors, I'd have been tempted to do the same.
However, it sure seems that there is a move to admit the totality of the suffering
of the innocents in WWII.
Like Michael Medved says, Jews should not repeat the tales so often that
people eventually stop listening. And my naive advice would be to tell the story
of all the persecuted innocents...reaching out to other groups won't damage the truth
of what happened to the Jews in WWII.

I just wonder when Hollywood will come clean and tell similar truths on the
movie screens about the other Evil Empire.
25 posted on 07/24/2003 4:53:16 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Sam Cree
You mean that it is not in their interest to call the world's attention to the fact that the Nazis killed more Slavs than Jews? If they care so little about these other peoples, why should non-Jews care about them?
26 posted on 07/24/2003 5:01:40 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: SauronOfMordor
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The bottom line is that murder-by-government in Europe in the first half of the 20th Century was huge by any historical measure. It was not exclusively all about the Jews
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That is the danger of focusing solely on the Jewish Holocaust. It makes it seem like mass murder by government was just a strange and terrible one-off event and not a recurring part of history (and indeed, the present).

Sadly, I think the Holocaust has become almost a fetish; with Holocaust Museums, Parks, countless movies, and other displays all focusing on one event as if it was the only case of vicious evil government.
27 posted on 07/24/2003 5:12:45 PM PDT by evilC
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To: NYer
Interesting to note that the Jews have established Holocaust museums and memorials, determined that "we must never forget!

Never forgive, never forget. The total antithesis of the Sermon on the Mount.

28 posted on 07/24/2003 6:06:15 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: evilC
Has the Rape of Nanking been depicted on film? Probably the worst example of what an army can do if it is unleased on a city.
29 posted on 07/24/2003 6:20:21 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: As you well know...
Remembering the Millions of Gentiles Murdered by the Nazis

Remeber TENS of millions of Christians murdered by the militant Soviet atheists.

30 posted on 07/24/2003 6:22:14 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Poohbah
I think the key issue is that the Jewish Holocaust was the first one that we SAW the results of in something approximating real life (photographic records, bureucratic records, et cetera), the sheer senselessness of it,

Unfinished Extirpation of Irish Catholics under Cromwell was very well organised.

The most successful was extermination of Tasmanians (none are left).

31 posted on 07/24/2003 6:24:41 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: As you well know...
They seem to miss the larger Soviet half of the Holocaust story.
32 posted on 07/24/2003 6:37:12 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: RobbyS
"You mean that it is not in their interest to call the world's attention to the fact that the Nazis killed more Slavs than Jews?"

I don't mean that, nor do I understand how you drew such an inference from my post to you. There is no instance that I know of where Jews have suppressed such knowledge. I, for one, remember learning it in high school, and have long thought it common knowledge.

"If they care so little about these other peoples, why should non-Jews care about them?"

IMO, your description of Jews caring "so little" for others is totally erroneous. However your point that non-Jews care little for Jews has historically been true. One would hope that that is changing these days, at least in the U.S.

33 posted on 07/24/2003 6:40:38 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
IMO, your description of Jews caring "so little" for others is totally erroneous. However your point that non-Jews care little for Jews has historically been true.

Or maybe it is symetrical? Also dividing mankind into Jews and non-Jews is not very healthy. What would you think if Armenians focused on comparing who cares more - Armenians for non-Armenians or non-Armenians for Armenians.

34 posted on 07/24/2003 6:45:39 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: RobbyS
But why do Jews ignore the horrific numbers killed by the Nazis?

It is not that it is ignored or unknown. In my Jewish Sunday School textbook, from 1970, it stated that revised estimates showed 5.4 million Jews died in Nazi extermination operations, as well as about six million non-Jews.

Germany in the late 1930's established racial purity laws and administration to ban Jews from daily life and sight. The death operations and concentration camps were set up to rid Germany and conquered areas of Jews and other "troublemakers".

We regret the loss of all innocent life. Losing almost half of all Jews on earth in five years is so horrible to contemplate - the worst tragedy in our history. It is, I guess, for other (non-Jewish) scholars to provide more information about the other unfornutates who perished in the fields, woods and camps. One posible problem in the past was that most of the people killed came from areas that soon came under Communist control. Deaths of Christian activists or leaders would not have been in the Reds' best interest to highlight.

35 posted on 07/24/2003 6:46:35 PM PDT by DmBarch
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To: A. Pole
"Or maybe it is symetrical?"

No, I hardly think it's symetrical.

But I am with you that it could be nice if we didn't concentrate on our differences so much.

"What would you think if Armenians focused on comparing who cares more - Armenians for non-Armenians or non-Armenians for Armenians."

I'd think that would be silly. I don't think Jews do that either, nor anyone else I know.

Seems I am destined to not make myself be understood on this thread.

36 posted on 07/24/2003 6:55:23 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: cyborg
Temple classes? Are you Jewish? After reading your bio I'm a bit confused.
37 posted on 07/24/2003 6:57:32 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: DmBarch
It would not be so bad if some Jews had not recently sought to scapegoat Pius XII for the actions of the Nazis and to say that he held back from condemning Hitler because he was anti-semitic or because he preferred the Nazis over the Communists. I think it should be clear by now that Hitler had a terrible grip on the throat of most people in Europe, not just the Jews. Furthermore, Hitler also had his supporters in every country, so to oppose him was not only to face a small clique but a considerable body of his followers. Thank God that we killed most of the SS forces and that his popular support in Germany and elsewhere melted away after his destruction.
38 posted on 07/24/2003 7:03:16 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
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Has the Rape of Nanking been depicted on film? Probably the worst example of what an army can do if it is unleased on a city.
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I don't think so. However given that Iris Chang's book sold well a future film is possible.
39 posted on 07/24/2003 7:16:22 PM PDT by evilC
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To: DmBarch
"One posible problem in the past was that most of the people killed came from areas that soon came under Communist control. Deaths of Christian activists or leaders would not have been in the Reds' best interest to highlight."

Yeah, good point, I think. Certainly Jews are blameless in the matter of how much notoriety may have been attached to the executions by Nazis of Poles or Russians.

40 posted on 07/24/2003 7:18:59 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Ancesthntr
I recall reading (It was quite a while ago so no source comes to mind) That before the end of the 19th century Germany was one of the best places to live if you were a Jew. Very little in the way of progroms etc.. At least in comparison to places like Russia, Poland, France. I be interested to know if you've read or heard anything about this.
41 posted on 07/24/2003 8:42:33 PM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Sam Cree
And I think one difference between the "gentile" holocaust and the Jewish one is that the effort was not to *exterminate* all gentiles, but more to purify them.

Of course, that meant exterminating different subsets of the Gentiles. The main difference between the Jews and the non-Jewish victim groups is that the Nazis started with the Jews and were going to get down to business on everyone else sooner or later. If Hitler had been in power for 20, 30 years, certain non-Jewish groups would have been exterminated (or at least heavily thinned) as well.

42 posted on 07/24/2003 8:50:43 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: RobbyS
But why do Jews ignore the horrific numbers killed by the Nazis?

I can't remember if they made a point of noting non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust back in Jewish day school (it's been a long time), but I'm pretty sure they taught us that stuff. Holocaust education is an important part of Jewish culture, they try to do a thorough job of it.

43 posted on 07/24/2003 8:52:12 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: As you well know...; NYer
Someone who gets the Wanderer newspaper told me there was an article where they pointed out that more Christians died in the Holocaust than non Christians. Whether the accounting is true or not; I do not know.

44 posted on 07/24/2003 9:10:28 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: As you well know...
Self-bump from a 3rd generation American Pole. My family came over around the turn of the century. Last century, of course.
45 posted on 07/24/2003 9:10:53 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette
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To: evilC
These letters from victims of the Holodomor were only translated and made public this month. The Bolsheviks had a twist on their evil unlike that of anyone else.
46 posted on 07/24/2003 9:24:48 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: xm177e2
Don't you think that non-Jewish victims ought to be included in a Holocaust museum? The only gentiles that get mention in the litature are the one who protected Jews. I know that many of those who perished at the hands of the Nazis hated Jews, but wouldn't that point up the radically violent character of National socialism? Mein Kampf clearly shows that Hitler hated Christianity because Jesus taught a Jewish (ie unmanly)erguc Christians who supported him for "pragmatic" reasons were utter fools, because there was no future for them in Hitler's Reich.
47 posted on 07/24/2003 9:39:28 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Valin
The irony was the German Jews loved Germany, were great patriots. For the Germans to turn on them was as shocking as
America turning on them today. And it seems they have cause for worry. Anti-semiticism in the United States is strongest in the party they cling to religiously.
48 posted on 07/24/2003 9:43:53 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: cyborg
Mao killed nearly 60 million in the Cultural Revolution, Tojo nearly 40 million in the occupied Asian countries, Stalin 20 million in his purges and pogroms and Hitler 8 million.
49 posted on 07/24/2003 9:57:31 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: dansangel
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50 posted on 07/25/2003 12:41:46 AM PDT by .45MAN
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