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Saddam sons' bodies had "Facial Reconstruction" no evidence of suicide (Reuters)
Reuters | 25-jul-03 | Reuters

Posted on 07/25/2003 4:46:16 AM PDT by 12B

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To: Terp
"The two bodies have undergone facial reconstruction with mortician's putty to make them resemble as closely as possible the faces of the brothers when they were alive", a US military official said."

If, again, this is true or just Reuters-speak, it IS stupid, stupid, stupid to have done this reconstruction so soon.

WE know there was no intent to deceive and that the bodies are those of the brothers. But the libs and Hussein propagandists will pick this one fact (if it is a fact) out of all other evidence and converge on it. I can hardly wait for CNN and the rest of the ravenous pack to start grinding on this as the day goes along.

Leni

41 posted on 07/25/2003 6:25:37 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: 12B
I think I just heard on CNN that they shaved the beards as well.
42 posted on 07/25/2003 6:26:56 AM PDT by Nexus
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To: 12B
Did they get a 'Gay' makover on Bravo?
43 posted on 07/25/2003 6:27:28 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: MinuteGal
I just saw the video on Fox. The original pics were prior to the "reconstruction."

It's just what you would expect any mortician to do to any dead body. The bodies just look like the original photos, only cleaned up and makeup covering the wounds. Their beards were shaved and Qusay got a haircut.

The only people who will doubt that these two are not Q and U are those who want to doubt. Those people will never be convinced.
44 posted on 07/25/2003 6:37:58 AM PDT by ditin
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To: Revelation 911
Uday didn't have very prominent cheek bones when he was alive.
45 posted on 07/25/2003 6:46:02 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: CougarGA7
This picture needs a mandatory BARF alert any time it is posted. [pun intended] Can't even look at my tacos after that.
46 posted on 07/25/2003 6:46:39 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Clone Ann Coulter, the woman sent by God)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
The other they could match dental records to 100% accuracy.

If one is Uday or Qusay, and the other has a matching Y chromosome (which would be true if they were brothers) then you have a 100% match on the other too

47 posted on 07/25/2003 6:49:27 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === will work for food)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Charlie Rangel: I think they are faking. No one has proven that they are really dead. It's just another lie by this administration.

The Iraqis had Comical Ali aka Baghdad Bob, we have Comical Charlie aka Bag-eyed Rangel.

Ever notice they've never been seen together, at the same time, in the same place....? ;)
48 posted on 07/25/2003 6:56:28 AM PDT by adam_az (This space for rent.)
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To: ditin
I know what you're saying. But this is not a case of "any mortician" and "any dead bodies" as you put it. This is not your run-of-the-mill morgue and autopsy case. The unaltered faces of the Q & U bodies are evidence in a critical world-wide cause celebre. At least right off the bat.

What's to keep the critics from now claiming the original photos showed reconstructed faces also?

I repeat, WE know there's no attempt at deceit. But we're dealing with mindsets and motives of enemies (within and without) that are different from ours by a zillion miles.

Even with DNA, fingerprints and x-rays, this "putty reconstruction" will be seized upon and blown up to cast doubt on all other evidence.

Again, I say, dumb, not fatal, but dumb move.

Leni

49 posted on 07/25/2003 7:03:07 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: 12B
Don't know if anyone's mentioned this -- all the news commentators talk over and over about how gruesome the photos are.

Really? Doesn't seem so to me. I'm a usually squeamish female, but I've got no problem with watching the pictures as long as they want to show them.

Then of course they indicate how they need to edit the footage to protect us from the horror. Cripes!
50 posted on 07/25/2003 7:33:52 AM PDT by Amore (La vita e una cagna . . .)
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To: SauronOfMordor
I was only talking about the dental records alone. Of course there will be other tests, but apparently, one of them was missing 20% of his mouth.
51 posted on 07/25/2003 7:42:33 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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52 posted on 07/25/2003 10:29:25 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: kattracks
Latest rework from Reuters:

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Reuters Sees Touched Up Bodies of Saddam Sons
Fri Jul 25,10:00 AM ET
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By Andrew Marshall

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites) partly rebuilt the faces of two bodies shown to journalists on Friday in an effort to convince Iraqis that the battle-scarred corpses were those of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s widely feared sons.

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Special Coverage
Latest news:
· U.S. Shows Hussein Brothers' Bodies
AP - 7 minutes ago
· Dead Uday, Qusay pictures beamed to world, US defends decision
AFP - 27 minutes ago
· Deep doubt in Iraq over Uday-Qusay photos
AFP - 45 minutes ago
Special Coverage

 

I was one of 15 journalists shown into an air-conditioned, khaki tent at Baghdad airport to view the corpses. They did look like the brothers, who U.S. troops said they killed during a siege on Tuesday.

Arabic networks al-Jazeera, Abu Dhabi Television and other broadcasters began showing the bodies identified as Uday and Qusay, laid out at the makeshift airport morgue.

A U.S. military official said "facial reconstruction" was used to repair wounds, particularly to the face of the elder son Uday, which had disfigured the bodies shown originally to the public in photographs taken by soldiers after the battle.

An uncharacteristic beard on the body of Qusay, seen in those U.S. pictures, had been shaved off, leaving a mustache.

Inside the tent, U.S. officials said it was standard practice to use morticians putty to prepare bodies for viewing and was not intended to fool the Iraqi people.

But while it may be common in the United States, the move is unheard of in the Arab world. That could affect Washington's efforts to quash Iraqi conspiracy theories that the bodies are not in fact those of the once powerful and hated sons of Saddam, who is believed to be still in hiding in Iraq.

U.S. officials have already played down the importance of visually identifying the men, saying their dental and medical records positively identified the brothers. Four top Saddam aides have also made positive identification, they say.

"You can make anyone look like anyone else," one U.S. official said, insisting the medical evidence was compelling.

The brothers were lying side-by-side on metal trolleys, their bruised bodies, riddled with bullets and shrapnel, naked apart from a blue cloth that covered their genitals.

Autopsies had been performed on both men and large Y-shape incisions bound by black stitches marked their torsos.

SURGICAL HISTORY

Uday still wore his beard. A hole in the top of his skull was left untouched. U.S. officials said they had no evidence to support suggestions that he had shot himself to avoid capture.

A faint smell of disinfectant hung in the air.

Journalists were shown a metal orthopedic plate that officials said they had removed from Uday's left leg and were told that its serial number matched that of a disc that was inserted in his limb after a failed 1996 assassination attempt.

U.S. officials have declined to reveal how they have had access to the former ruling family's medical records.

They said both men had died from multiple gunshot wounds and blast injuries in the northern city of Mosul. Two other people also died. Those bodies were not shown. U.S. officials say one of them was probably Qusay's teenage son, Mustapha.

 

DNA tests were also being carried out but because previous samples of Uday and Qusay's DNA were not available, U.S. officials said this test would not conclusively identify the bodies. Washington says it has Saddam's DNA.

The officials said the bodies would be refrigerated to slow decomposition but their fate thereafter remains unknown. Muslim tradition demands that they be buried as soon as possible.

A spokesman for the U.S.-led administration said no one had so far come forward to claim the bodies of the fugitives for burial. He said: "If any of their family members want to come forward, we'd be delighted to speak to them."



53 posted on 07/25/2003 11:18:25 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Davis and then recall the rest of the Demon Rats!!!)
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To: 12B
ping for update above!
54 posted on 07/25/2003 11:19:10 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Davis and then recall the rest of the Demon Rats!!!)
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To: 12B
In my opinion releasing the pictures was a mistake. Not because of any moral compunctions that I have about it, I just don't think it will be effective in convincing the Iraqis that the brothers are dead. Instead, we could have sent in some muslim clerics and let them feel up the bodies, etc. and then go out and proclaim to their pathetic sheeple that the stiffs are genuine.
55 posted on 07/25/2003 11:36:31 AM PDT by clintonh8r (You can have no better friend and no worse enemy than a US Marine.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If any of their family members want to come forward, we'd be delighted to speak to them."

Paging Mr. Saddam Hussein, please pick up the courtesy phone.

56 posted on 07/25/2003 4:09:26 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: 12B
It means our MORTICIANS have done what MORTICIANS DO. Nothing more.
57 posted on 07/25/2003 4:38:34 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: DittoJed2; dennisw; dighton; BlueLancer; shaggy eel
Eeek, so much for facial "reconstruction". Uday looks like Michael Jackson!
58 posted on 07/25/2003 4:42:19 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (Guten Tag!)
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To: MinuteGal
Even with DNA, fingerprints and x-rays, this "putty reconstruction" will be seized upon and blown up to cast doubt on all other evidence.

The doubting Thomases will find ANYTHING to cast doubt on the evidence.

The DNA evidence will be hard for much of the illiterate Iraqi population to understand.

Fingerprint evidence can be claimed to be doctored or altered. Unless there is video-taped proof of obtaining fingerprints off of the bodies, and a widely-accepted fingerprint to compare it with, then it will be considered doctored. The x-rays can be claimed to be thrown in as evidence, but they aren't necessarily Odai's injury.

And then the facial reconstruction adds another layer of doubt.

There will be many who will NEVER believe that they are dead. Perhaps given another ten years, when they don't return to torture the citizens, the people will finally believe that he is gone.

Sometimes it just takes time for people to accept it. Didn't it take awhile to finally prove that Hitler was dead?

59 posted on 07/25/2003 4:48:31 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
It's just another lie by this administration

Sure, but this admin never claimed Apollo went to the moon in 1969, so they haven't lied about everything.

60 posted on 07/25/2003 4:53:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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