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Fathers Rights? In defense of family and other fundamental rights
Men's News Daily ^ | July 25, 2003 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 07/25/2003 11:21:10 AM PDT by RogerFGay

Fathers Rights?

In defense of family and other fundamental rights.

By Roger F. Gay

In " Hounding Baskerville," Tom Sylvester demonstrates the deepest divisions between activist social conservatism and core American political values. Activist social conservatives ignore boundaries between private and public issues as easily as they ignore the boundary between state and federal power. Like their far left counterparts, they abandon individual rights when embracing social causes. Nowhere are the divisions sharper or more critical than on issues that involve the basic social unit; family.

Mr. Sylvester's article is a response to "Government as Family Therapist," by Stephen Baskerville. Dr. Baskerville is a political science professor and well-known fathers' rights advocate who called into question the efforts of activist social conservatives to strengthen fatherhood and preserve the family. Mr. Sylvester answered by relegating Dr. Baskerville to an unworthy social class and calling upon the spirits of bureaucrats, special interest confidants, and New York Times reporters to defend his own.

The importance of the debate should not be underestimated. Both major political parties, bolstered by extreme elements, have moved well outside traditional American political boundaries in pursuit of a much more intrusive relationship between government and the people. Voices of discontent like Stephen Baskerville's represent tens of millions of people who have experienced the effects.

A real-world effect of political intrusion into fatherhood and family is the subject of a case that is heading toward the United States Supreme Court. This case will determine whether the battle for family rights has been won or lost. Under question is whether family rights are constitutionally protected or merely political constructions to be modified at the whim of legislators. Moreover, the case deals with whether legislatures have the authority to rescind established constitutional rights simply by reclassifying private interest disputes as social or economic policy.

In late 1989, states were pushed by a new federal funding scheme into dramatically changing the way all child support award amounts are set. Through the use of presumptively correct formulae, states arbitrarily increased award amounts in order to increase the amount of federal funds they receive. One of the specific objectives of fathers' rights advocacy is recognition of constitutional limits to state power that would constrain courts to ordering reasonable and appropriate child support amounts. The argument would be easily won on the basis of facts and logic. The battle however, must be fought against approximately $4 billion a year in federal funding that holds child support in a realm of public policy where individual rights do not exist.

A noncustodial mother in Georgia objected to an award set by that state's child support formula on constitutional grounds. She won the case in the trial court based on findings of fact that demonstrated violations of due process, equal protection, the right of privacy, and an unconstitutional taking of property under the Georgia constitution. The Georgia Department of Human Resources won a reversal on appeal. Daryl LeCroy, lawyer for the mother, has stated that this decision will be appealed to the United States Supreme Court.

There are two broad questions that stand out in the decisions. The first is whether family rights are fundamental. That is, are family rights protected under the Constitution? The trial court said that they are, and was particularly explicit on that point when recognizing the plaintiff's right to privacy.

While the source of the right to privacy has been held to originate in varying constitutional provisions, it has been long recognized to apply to “family” concerns whether the family exists within the confines of marriage or not. Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438, 92 S. Ct. 1029 (8) (1972), Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 93 S. Ct. 705 at 726-28 (1973).

It is particularly important for social conservatives to note that as supported by established precedents cited by the trial court, no distinction is drawn for family concerns within marriage. The distinction between "them" (divorced and never-married parents) and "us" (married parents) may serve vanity when applied in a social context, but not the cause of political conservatism. Different choices on the boundaries between public and private issues will cause us all to sink or swim together.

The state supreme applied the lowest standard of constitutional review, which is typically reserved for public policy issues. It did not recognize family rights at all, nor did it regard the taking of income and property as worthy of constitutional concern. It reasoned in perfectly circular fashion that child support is not a "purely private" issue because statutes authorize courts to make child support determinations. Courts are even authorized, by statute, to reject and alter private agreements. Therefore, constitutional rights intended to protect individuals do not apply. Scissors cut paper. Paper covers rock. Statute nullifies Constitution. Is that the way it goes? Do individual rights disappear whenever a legislature chooses to pass laws that intrude in private life?

While both major political parties are pressing for a more intrusive role, our formally established relationship between government and the people is crumbling. Laws are passed in such quantity that many that deserve to be struck down will not reach the Supreme Court. State courts are far too sensitive to political pressure to be counted upon to withstand a legislative tsunami; a great rush of radical reforms supported by both major political parties; particularly when accompanied by large amounts of federal funds. The argument given by the Georgia supreme court, sympathetic to a bipartisan agenda, is that wherever government intrusion advances, constitutional rights retreat. If this is the accepted norm, then constitutional rights are an illusion manipulated by political whim.

Since Republicans have embraced the spending scheme, activist social conservatives praise what they call "bipartisan support for promoting healthy marriages and responsible fatherhood" and downplay the significance of bipartisan support for further government intrusion. Tom Sylvester rejects Stephen Baskerville's arguments as "conspiracy-theory nonsense." But anyone can create real conspiracies, even elaborate ones, if they have enough money to pay for them. Intrusive Big Government programs are always accompanied by massive funding schemes. The budget for the child support program, around $4 billion a year, buys a pretty big conspiracy.

If Tom Sylvester does not know that federal family law reform has created "a very dangerous and destructive machine," then he has not been paying attention. Aside from manipulating the amount of child support awarded, federal reforms created a mammoth and expensive enforcement system. Analysts at the Cato Institute, known for its objective analysis, characterize the federal child support enforcement program as "big brother" government intrusion that threatens privacy rights. [articles - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 -] The program funded the creation of a multi-billion dollar computer system that accumulates personal information on every resident of the United States. The problem is not just the existence of a computer system, but policy reforms that allow mass arbitrary and unmitigated government snooping into everyone's personal life. In combination with the removal of constitutional boundaries against arbitrary government manipulation, family rights along with all other fundamental rights are disappearing.

The point of eliminating rights is to gain control. The motive is money. Out in the real world, the effects are apparent. States engage in accounting fraud to keep more money flowing. Fathers are cheated out of money they need to support their children. Collection agencies take inappropriate amounts and illegally keep payments. [articles - 1 - 2 -] Men are forced to pay child support for children that are not theirs. Police literally break down doors and arrest fathers at gun point for minor disruptions in payment. When the judiciary abandons its function to set things right, gun battles erupt in the streets.

People who claim to be "strengthening fatherhood" have been waging war against fathers. Their class war escalated from low class mud-slinging to violence, corruption, and chaos. Instead of acknowledging the problems they have created, and working to correct them, they are all too anxious to expand their territory. I vote no, and believe I can count the people who passed the Bill of Rights into law on my side.

Roger F. Gay

Roger F. Gay is a professional analyst and lead researcher for Project for the Improvement of Child Support Litigation Technology. Other articles by Roger F. Gay are linked to his archive page.



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1 posted on 07/25/2003 11:21:10 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: JimKalb; Free the USA; EdReform; realwoman; Orangedog; Lorianne; Outlaw76; balrog666; DNA Rules; ...
ping
2 posted on 07/25/2003 11:21:48 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
Kudos to you sir for another outstanding article.

I have a nightmare story about the system about which you so eloquently write; a story about how that system used my son to its own ends, and how the truth, my son, and I, prevailed against it.

Part of the price that I paid was a willingness to go to prison to protect my son. I do not regret my actions for a second.

I kept my honor, protected my son, and taught him one of the bests lessons of his life.
3 posted on 07/25/2003 11:50:24 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: RogerFGay
Thank You sir, What the Radical Feminists are doing
to us is murder. They must be stopped, or we all will lose
this country. Our only hope for survival (Beside God) is
that the GOPs listen to our crys and suffering, and investigate (Via Congressional over-sight committee) the
"OVER-KILL" being committed on the GOOD Fathers/Veterans
by these evil communists that now control the courts and
child support, and other so-call social programs.
Til this day, there are NO HELP for FATHERS/MEN via the
gov't.....NONE !!!

The group(s) attacking and YES destroying the Fathers/Men
are the same radicals haters that attacked Kobe on Day#1...

The same group(s) that attacked Savage,Rush,Christians, Mel Gibson Passion movie, the GOPs, the Judges who believe in GOD, and attack ALL of OUR U.S. Constitutional Rights to live free, they attack our military, they attack our President,Congress,Senate Republicans, They lie and use
deceptions to hide there true goal(s), which is to DESTROY
the United States of America....

By going after the fathers and boys, what they are doing is
destroying our National Security from within...slowly..

I PRAY TO GOD that somebody in the Congress & White House
listens to the Fathers who had experienced the communist
control family courts & child support who are runned by radical male haters, it's not fair.....

We can start with Milwaukee, Wisconsin...interview me and
I will tell you my story of total injustice committed on me.
vet out......
4 posted on 07/25/2003 12:52:51 PM PDT by Orlando
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To: All
Suicide is out of control with Fathers/Men, and Boys ask
yourself why is this happening, here's just ONE reason why:

http://www.fathersforlife.org/ussuic.htm


Here's a partial list of the hatred , lies and deceptions
being done with the fathers/men:


http://www.familymatters.org/ms-fits.htm


I wish Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was still alive, becasue
I know he would of help us and address these civil rights
violation(s).
5 posted on 07/25/2003 1:11:03 PM PDT by Orlando
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To: RogerFGay
Kudos! You clearly and cleanly hit every nail squarly on the head.
6 posted on 07/25/2003 3:40:45 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: RogerFGay
I am going to this babies wake tonight. She is dead because her father could not get custody of her.

I can't post the whole article because it's from Newsday.

Worst Fears Realized Man's efforts can't save daughter from drowning by mother

By Keiko Morris and Lauren Terrazzano STAFF WRITERS

July 25, 2003 For more than a year Brian Ramirez had longed to see his daughter, Gina, a bright-eyed 2-year-old who loved the beach and had an obsession for Elmo and teddy bears. And he feared for her welfare at the hands of her mother, whom he considered unstable.

Ramirez had planned to go to Nassau Family Court yesterday at 9 a.m. in the hopes of arranging visitations with his daughter's mother, Michele Sambriski. But by then little Gina and her mother were both dead.

On Wednesday, Nassau police said, Sambriski drowned her daughter in a bathtub and then hanged herself.

"I'm so devastated that I can't even identify my daughter's body," said Ramirez, who had reported Sambriski to Nassau child protective services two months ago when he learned that she had been evicted from a Long Beach apartment and had gone off medication for her bipolar disorder. "This is not how I wanted to see my daughter. Not this way."

rest here

7 posted on 07/25/2003 3:48:40 PM PDT by katnip
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To: Orlando; Pikachu_Dad; RogerFGay
Our only hope for survival (Beside God) is that the GOPs listen to our crys and suffering, and investigate (Via Congressional over-sight committee)

I hear you, but don't count on the GOP (Gang Of Pu$$ies) to lift a finger to help. They want to screw us just as hard as the Democrats do. The only argument between them is who will get credit for screwing us.

Our last, best and only hope right now is the US Supreme Court. But considering that the swing vote on that court is an older soccer-mom who has no problem disregarding what the Founders wrote and intended, we have good reason to worry. In fact, I'll provide the same service for this appeal that I did with the one to the GA Supreme Court. This will go one of two way....

(A) They will refuse to hear it, making the GA Supreme Court ruling the law of the land.

OR

(B) They do hear the appeal, and affirm, 5 to 4, the previous ruling. The marxists know that this is the cornerstone of their future plans for us (and by "us", I mean everyone). To overturn that ruling would be the beginning of the end of the government's ability to control the largest aspects of our lives. They WILL NOT issue a ruling that would un-do the ability of state, local and federal governments to use our children for to advance their political agenda. It would put at risk literally billions of dollars in federal funding to the states and tens of thousands of public/private sector jobs that feed this beast. Women will blindly go along with this because they do not believe in the inevitable...that this beast WILL turn on them as soon as the next generation of men wises up and start getting vasectomies before they reach their mid 20's to avoid having this happen to them. The remaining case load will not be big enough to for the system to grow on just the father's income. The courts will begin taking kids from the mothers and putting them in state funded foster care for the slightest reason in order to gain the control over them that they have over their ex-husbands. Think it can't happen? I imagine that's what most people would have said if you described todays system 30 years ago. This IS the last battleground, folks. The abyss is staring back at us, waiting to see what happens.

8 posted on 07/25/2003 4:21:02 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: katnip
This is the saddest thing I have read in weeks. If you know this man or his family, please pass on the sincere sympathies of father who feels for them.
9 posted on 07/25/2003 4:31:07 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: RogerFGay
The first step in destroying our country is to destroy the family. The Radical Feminist movement of the past few decades has done a good job of this.

There is only one way that I can see to rectify the wrongs that have been done. The PEOPLE of this country are going to have to take up arms and forcefully take our country back! And we'd better hurry before we have been completely disarmed.

Good to "see" you, Roger. Hope things are going good with you.


10 posted on 07/26/2003 10:58:47 PM PDT by realwoman (Proud to be a woman who doesn't suffer from penis envy)
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