Ahh, Free at La -- Oops! Time's Up

The Washington Post ^ | 072703 | Joe Robinson

[Skooz]

No, it, didn't.

Yes, it did. Ask any reputable economic historian.

America was born and grew great in a hot cauldron populated by violent men.

America was born and grew great in a hot cauldron populated by violent, hardworking men.

[Just_de_facts]

Another self righteous prig.

[Archangelsk]

[Just_de_facts]

Are you being facetious?

[Archangelsk]

No, just being funny. :-)

[AIRFORCE76]

The next poster got my point, sorry you didn't. Regardless of your opinion of any individual product the simple truth is that the poorest in this country live like the wealthiest of other countries. You don't have to go very far to the south of our border to see destitution. Mexico, much as I love the people and the country, have suffered under 70 years of socialist mismanagement of the economy and all their resources, animal, vegetable, or mineral.

[Just_de_facts]

Okay, I hear a lot of negative comments on this board about unions and almost all of it is simple minded rhetoric from people who don't know any better.

[Archangelsk]

You said Europe originally. Mexico is a horse of an entirely different hue.

[ikka]

Violence made this nation great and I embrace and believe in that concept wholeheartedly. If you have any doubt, then do some research into coal, oil, and steel industries.

You are nuts.

[MonroeDNA]

Longshoremen (union, of course) make an average of $120,000 per year, in LA.

Free money. Nobody pays for that. Nope. Not even the "Destination charge" applied to your new car. Nope.

[Archangelsk]

Maybe, but I'm very right. Here's a couple of examples:

Coal
Bonus Army (Oh, and before you get all sensitive on me, I consider McArthur, Patton and Eisenhower role models)
Draft Riots
Steel Mills

[Skooz]

Wait a minute......Corporate Fat cats pay for all that. Just like they pay for all the taxes leveed against them. They don't pass those expenses to the consumer. Nope.

[Skooz]

Amazing how our history is so violent, and yet the rest of world history is violence free.

[Archangelsk]

You forgot the sarcasm tag.

[Just_de_facts]

Are you aware that union people are some of the best paid and best insured workers in America , thus making them the ideal candidate for the heart pump? They are the people who will purchase the products that you sell and the ones who will pay the taxes for the government grants and loans that funded this technology. They are the end user for your product and you insult them even as they support you. Do you belong on this forum.

[Skooz]

The sarcasm was so obvious I didn't feel I needed one.

If violence is the only thing that made the US great, then Europe should be many times as powerful as America. Not only has European violence far outstripped anything in US history, but they got a running 15 century headstart.

[boxerblues]

Don't worry...with all that outsourcing, Americans stand to have a LOT more free time on their hands.
until someone in the US needs someone from the "new" outsourced job and realizes they are on holiday everytime they are needed. We've had several jobs come back to our company for this reason

[Ukiapah Heep]

Out of curiosity, how much time off do our Indian subalterns get? Their calendar where I work seems to be chock full of holidays, and they apparently get a month of vacation. They never come in to work early. Overall, they aren't the big deal that has been heralded in terms of continual coverage. They also don't assign enough resources to the projects I've been on.

I thought the big deal with them was that there were supposed to be millions of 'em working for a crust of pizza and all of them the equivalent of MIT.

[MonroeDNA]

They can buy it or not. Or their insurers. We'll sink or swim. What is it worth to you, if you are dying?

Do you want me to applaud coerced protectionism, so that I can make a profit? No, thanks. If the $120,000 a year longshoreman gets one, somebody is going to pay. Not him, apparently.

No government grants or loans funded us. That is why we will succeed, where others have failed.

We are greedy, non-union capitalists, and are creating life-saving technology from our brains. Why? Because we want to get rich.

And in return, people will live longer.

Fair trade?

[boxerblues]

I dont know about the Indians,we have only recently started outsourcing to them. The Company I work for was bought by the Sweds 5 years ago so we work with a lot of Sweds & Germans who get somewhere around 6 weeks. The whole month of July and August is pretty much shot in the arse as far as productivity. The whole work ethic is different, timely replys and deadlines are not something they seem to care about unless it works in their favor.