Experts Say Curbing Gun Violence Takes Int'l Action (From The UN ITSELF)

United Nations Wire ^ | July 14 | Jim Wurst

[TERMINATTOR]

Molon Labe!

[FSPress]

Can't seem to find any reference to the US dropping their plans at civilian weapons confiscation.

[Shooter 2.5]

95% of the gun owners don't belong to a gun group. Out of the members of a certain gun group, large amounts of them complain they can't get off the couch to throw out a fundraising mailing.

If you're not convinced, do a little research on the last Civil War and how many died, how many cities were burned to the ground and how long it took for the losing side to recover economically.

[appalachian_dweller]

Again the problem centers around laziness. Damn.

Thanks for the reply.

[sergeantdave]

Re: Experts Say Curbing Gun Violence Takes Int'l Action (From The UN ITSELF)


Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, June 15, 2003; Page A14


BAGHDAD, June 14 -- The Iraqi guard at the entrance of the police academy, one of several places where citizens could surrender illegal weapons to U.S. occupation forces, shook his head when asked how many had met today's deadline for handing over guns without penalty.

"We've had plenty of reporters, but no weapons come in," he said.

A two-week weapons amnesty program designed to reduce the number of heavy armaments in the hands of Iraqis ended today with scant results. Nationwide, 123 pistols, 76 semiautomatic rifles and shotguns, 435 automatic rifles, 46 machine guns, 162 antitank rocket-propelled grenade launchers, 11 antiaircraft weapons and 381 hand grenades had been turned in as of this morning, according to the U.S. military. There seemed to be no last-minute rush.

U.S. officials, while describing the response as light, were quick to explain that the goal was never to disarm Iraqis, but principally to inform them that banned weapons must not be carried in public. As of Sunday, it will be illegal for Iraqis to carry weapons in public without a permit.

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Yeh, I guess there won't be a formal announcement that the US won't bother going door to door confiscating weapons. Nor will the US confiscate weapons that were fired off in celebration when Uday & brother were announced dead as a doorknob, even though that demonstration was illegal.

I'd consider the no-announcement policy of no gun confiscation similar to the unannounced policy of not enforcing illegal immigrant laws against employers.

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt

[ExSoldier]

This was originally posted by ME before Y2K when we all thought that Clinton was going to trigger the national emergency/civil unrest Executive Orders. I just reposted it elsewhere yesterday. It certainly bears repeating here. I have heard rumblings like this from inside the active duty military especially in the mid to senior level officers for literally DECADES...so fear not....you're not alone.

An open letter from a 'Green Beret'

The Resister: The Political Warfare Journal of the Special Forces Underground

Spring 1998 'Defector in Place--USSOCOM'

This letter is addressed to old family Reds, central bankers, military traitors (past and present), academia, media pundits, "civil rights" activists, and "Greens." Your worst fears are justified; Special Forces Underground is real. It's not just a subtitle on the Resister's masthead. Worse for you, is that it's not just in Special Forces. It exists in all branches of the military, in federal agencies, among civilians, and in several foreign countries.

I am an old Special Forces active duty soldier. I've worked with people in all branches of the military, alphabet soup federal agencies, police departments, and civilians. While most people I've worked with are passive supporters of resistance to your "global community," there are some who are willing to actively defend what they believe in.

I will continue to perform my appointed military duties in a professional manner. I will publicly agree with your collectivist policies and parrot your slogans. I pay my taxes, don't belong to any "militia," and won't join any "extremist" group. For all outside appearances I am one of your "global community" peasants.

Having traveled extensively I have seen firsthand the results of failed collectivist governments who have looted their countries into squalor. Most politically attuned people I know have seen it also and know that the only way you can achieve your global community is by doing the same to America. Some think resistance is futile. Maybe it is.

But we are willing to fight you, and make you pay DEARLY for your arrogance. We are moral, principled, and believe in the ORIGINAL Constitution and the philosophies that define it. You see, your mistake was that you thought we'd just mumble our oath and then contradict it when ordered to. but YOU,--you promoters of the "brotherhood of mankind"--are the enemies domestic we are sworn to defend the Constitution against. We didn't choose you as the enemy. By your collectivist ideologies and actions, you self selected.

We pray to the God you SCORN that the day never arrives when we are finally compelled to turn against you, what you expected us to do to enemies foreign. If that day does arise, lament. For I, and others like me, have been trained in the blackest of arts, and the darkest of crafts.

Your minions are useless cattle. They cannot protect you. You cannot hide. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, but you'll NEVER know whether der guten soldat you hired is one of us---or not.

So, to all you altruist-collectivist global citizens:

"YOU WILL FIND NO JOY IN YOUR NEW WORLD ORDER."

[Joe Brower]

Check out ExSoldier's post #27. Well said. And, in time, well done.

[risk]

I just have one thing to say:

Leonidas' last stand

[from occupied ga]

, such as assault rifles, pistols, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and shoulder-fired anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.

I'm OK on the first two items. Where I'm lacking is on the last three. If the Iraquis can have them why not US citizens?

[harpseal]

I do not belong to any militia unless one counts the VFW and American Legion. I will put my life and fortune on the line when the time comes as will many others (presuming I am not gone before tehtime). I will not start anything but I shall engage in active resistance. I know where the domestic enemies live shop and play. I live shop and play among them. I am a respected member of my community and when the time comes I shall not meekly submit.

[ought-six]

"These FASCISTS in the Public Health lobbies are the biggest threat to freedom in this country, moreso than Iraq, Iran, The Taliban, and Islamic Jihadists combined."

A pox on all their houses.

[ought-six]

"I was talking with a good friend about the grabbers just the other day. He believes that an outright ban and confiscation would lead to civil war."

I see it, as well. Remember that our nation cut its teeth on the gun issue, as the Revolution actually began at Lexington and Concord when the redcoats came to confiscate the peoples' arms and powder.

[ought-six]

"Again the problem centers around laziness. Damn."

Americans are traditionally lazy when it comes to standing up for their beliefs. But there is also this: Americans will fight to the death when their backs are against the wall, and they believe they have nothing left to lose.

[ought-six]

"I do not belong to any militia unless one counts the VFW and American Legion. I will put my life and fortune on the line when the time comes as will many others (presuming I am not gone before tehtime). I will not start anything but I shall engage in active resistance. I know where the domestic enemies live shop and play. I live shop and play among them. I am a respected member of my community and when the time comes I shall not meekly submit."

I could have written this, as it fits me to a "T."

[MortMan]

A pox on all their houses.

Shouldn't that be a crosshair on all their houses? ;-)

[Shooter 2.5]

That's a pretty good letter.

He also doesn't make the mistake of thinking the bad guys are going to be the police and military.

[jjm2111]

It's amazing how military officers and ABC feds have vastly different world views. Good to know good people are out there.

Thanks for the ping Joe.

[Sender]

I don't believe that gun confiscation will begin by just knocking on doors, that WOULD precipitate a disaster. No, they'll do it in the time-honored tradition of slowly heating the water the frog is swimming in.

First, let's say an anti-gun government swings into power in 2008 or beyond. One definite action will be to prohibit the importation or sale of any more parts kits, barrels, magazines or semi-auto weapons, period. They will say "Hey, your currently legally-owned weapons are still yours, so we aren't really infringing your rights." What are now post-ban weapons will become the new pre-bans. Step one.

Now the anti's need to wait and let the numbness set it. Wait until the outrage cools and attention is focused elsewhere. Wait for an event...a terrible event involving a shooting, preferably using an "assault weapon". They'll get one eventually or make one up.

Suddenly the cry goes out to "do something" about the "flood of weapons on our streets". Never mind that 100 million legal arms were NOT involved in the shooting, one of them was, and that's enough. Step 2 will demand national registration of weapons as a "common sense measure to help law enforcement" find the criminals. You can keep them for now, Mr and Mrs America, just register them or go to prison.

Now of course there will be massive noncompliance, but guess what? Say you refuse to register. Can you go out to the range now and shoot them? No. You are now felons, past the "amnesty" and you can do nothing more than clean and admire them with the curtains closed. You can't sell or trade them either...they're now contraband. But at least the gun grabbers can't come in and get them, right?

Maybe not just yet. There's still one more powerful trick up their sleeve: ammunition. "Common sense" dictates that anyone who orders 1000 rounds of .223 should be checked against a list of legal registered gun owners. Say, here's someone who ordered some ammo...and an AR-15 scope mount...and he's not on the list of AR-15 owners. Hmm.

So they don't have to break our doors down to drown us slowly. THAT is why we must resist now, resist what are pandered as reasonable or common sense measures to back us into a corner. As for all the "sporting" gun owners that see no problem in outlawing "assault weapons", how long do you think the gun grabbers will wait before dropping the bombshell that your scoped 30-06 or pump 12-gauge is actually more powerful and devastating than an AK-47? Soccer moms will be surprised and shocked. Add the constant PR pressure of anti-hunting, animal rights, demonizing the image of evil gunowners and "save the children" and there you have it, game, set and match.

Will we see an actual civil war over this and other values? I doubt it. But some people sure as hell will have to make the ultimate sacrifice to make them back off and think, "is this worth it?".

[PatrioticAmerican]

Cooperating with the UN to see to it that small arms doesn't leave our shores to cause problems elsewhere is one thing, coming here to mess with OUR ownership is another. Bluepots make for nice targets.