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Brady.org: Misleading, ATF says of findings
TIMES-DISPATCH ^ | July 28 2003 | MARK BOWES

Posted on 07/29/2003 9:51:58 AM PDT by drZ

Jul 28, 2003

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/vametro/MGBXJ60SNID.html

Misleading, ATF says of findings

BY MARK BOWES TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

Federal officials have called misleading a report by a national gun-control group that lists 10 gun dealers, including one in Chesterfield County, among the nation's worst in selling guns linked to crimes.

Using government statistics, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence this month released a list of licensed gun sellers it regards as "the worst players in the gun industry - gun sellers that recklessly operate their businesses and allow criminals to get guns."

The group cited Southern Police Equipment at 7609 Midlothian Turnpike as the third-worst in the nation.

The Brady campaign says it compiled its "bad apple" list by analyzing data maintained by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for 1989 through 1996.

But the ATF appeared to question the Brady campaign's conclusions in a statement issued July 16, the same day as the Brady report.

An ATF spokesman in Washington also wondered whether the 7- to 14-year-old data - the government data used by the Brady campaign and apparently the most recent available - was still relevant in 2003.

"It is misleading to suggest that a gun dealer is corrupt because a large percentage of the guns sold in his store are subsequently used in a crime," the ATF said. "Many other factors - including high volume of sales, the type of inventory carried and whether the gun [dealer] is located in a high crime area - contribute to the percentages cited by the Brady campaign."

Furthermore, "the statistics cited do not provide a complete picture of the types of activities that might warrant federal gun prosecutions," the ATF said. "Gun traces [of weapons used in crimes], for example, indicate only that a gun has come to the attention of law enforcement. They do not automatically implicate a dealer or purchaser in any wrongdoing."

The ATF added: "[T]he fact is that the majority of federally licensed firearms dealers are not knowingly engaged in criminal activity."

Karen Allan, owner of Southern Police Equipment, said the Brady campaign is deliberately distorting the facts to further its gun-control agenda.

"It's total slander to us," Allan said. "I also got in contact with some of the other people on the list, and everybody feels the same way we do about it.

"What Brady is trying to do, of course, is take all the guns off the street," Allan added. "They're always attacking us in any way they can attack us, and we're not doing anything illegal."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; batf; bradycampaign; deceit; guncontrol; gunrunning
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1 posted on 07/29/2003 9:51:59 AM PDT by drZ
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To: *bang_list
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2 posted on 07/29/2003 9:52:38 AM PDT by drZ
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To: drZ
How off-base did this have to be to get the government uncomfortable about it? Sheesh.
3 posted on 07/29/2003 9:54:41 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: ko_kyi
I'm sure its way off, but they did name a company called "Southern Police Equipment". I don't know anything about them, but by the name, LEOs may be their main clients. It would be funny if many of the businesses the Brady Bunch mentioned catered to law enforcement.
4 posted on 07/29/2003 10:03:33 AM PDT by HurkinMcGurkin
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To: drZ
[Mis]Using government statistics, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence this month released a list of licensed gun sellers it regards as "the worst players in the gun industry - gun sellers that recklessly operate their businesses and allow criminals to get guns."

That's not just misleading it's a lie. Surprise surprise! A leftist lies to promote their agenda.

5 posted on 07/29/2003 10:24:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: drZ
I wonder what Jim Brady thinks of all this. He was Ronald Reagan's press secretary and his wife now uses him as a prop to sell her leftists ideas, pushing him onstage in his wheelchair to sit there silently while she postulates about the evil of guns.
6 posted on 07/29/2003 10:38:20 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: drZ
sue de arse!
7 posted on 07/29/2003 10:43:46 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Gun control advocates distorting the facts?!

How about some slander lawsuits against Brady.org to bankrupt their ass!
8 posted on 07/29/2003 10:57:27 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
Southern Police Equipment is located across the street for the State Police HQ. I have been in there several times and there is always a strong LEO presence. If I was a low-life, scum bag, drug dealing, mass murderer, I would make it a point to buy from a dealer that was crawling with cops!
9 posted on 07/29/2003 12:14:35 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: drZ
bump
10 posted on 07/29/2003 12:23:06 PM PDT by lowbridge (You are the audience. I am the author. I outrank you! -Franz Liebkind, The Producers)
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To: drZ
I'd like to see the Brady Bunch sued for the misinformation (lies) they put out.

Carolyn

11 posted on 07/29/2003 1:13:19 PM PDT by CDHart
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To: drZ
I wish that the named dealers would band togeather and sue.
12 posted on 07/29/2003 1:40:59 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: drZ
I wish that the named dealers would band togeather and sue.
13 posted on 07/29/2003 1:41:00 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi
oops
14 posted on 07/29/2003 1:41:21 PM PDT by MileHi
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Allan said the statistics cited by the Brady campaign "didn't even represent 1 percent of the guns that we sold in those years - and they did not have the laws that they have today.

"Today, everything's changed," she said. "They have the one-gun-per-month (law), they have instant criminal background checks (of potential gun buyers), and we support all of that."

What a gun-grabber Allan is!

Oh, she's the FFL? Well, uymm, umm, she must like the taste of boot polish! Yeah, yeah, that's it!

(/mouthbreathing Second Amendment fetishists)

I have to agree with the person who wondered just how bad this so-called "report" was, to make the ATF feel the need to come out publicly and disclaim it... Of course, it shows just how desparate the gun-grabbers are to stop the reckless lawsuit preemption legislation.

Contact your Senators to support S. 659! Do it again, if you already have!

15 posted on 07/29/2003 1:55:03 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
They have the one-gun-per-month (law), they have instant criminal background checks (of potential gun buyers), and we support all of that

Folks who support a "one gun a month" law ARE gun-grabbers. Do you not agree?

16 posted on 07/29/2003 2:08:55 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: drZ
"What Brady is trying to do, of course, is take all the guns off the street," Allan added.

Based on what they're doing, they're only trying to take legal guns off the street. They don't seem to have a problem with criminals with guns.

17 posted on 07/29/2003 2:15:57 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: jmc813
Folks who support a "one gun a month" law ARE gun-grabbers. Do you not agree?

Not when the alternative is a "no guns per month" law. Do you not agree that something is better than nothing?

18 posted on 07/29/2003 2:24:32 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
Not when the alternative is a "no guns per month" law. Do you not agree that something is better than nothing?

I suppose, but when gun laws are Nazi-ish, I find my way around them. Yes, I am a nutty libertarian.

19 posted on 07/29/2003 2:33:22 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I wonder what Jim Brady thinks of all this. He was Ronald Reagan's press secretary and his wife now uses him as a prop to sell her leftists ideas, pushing him onstage in his wheelchair to sit there silently while she postulates about the evil of guns.

What else can she do with him? His head's to round to set a glass on.

20 posted on 07/30/2003 6:24:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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