Today's Free Trade is not about the Free Market

JEFFHEAD.COM ^ | 08/01/2003 | Jeff Head

[exnavy]

In fact, killing millions is exactly what Stalin, Hitler did.

Your not putting yourself in a class with those two, are you?

[Texas_Dawg]

The killing of millions of humans, no matter the race is not something taken lightly.

Well... not according to some: TopDog2 on nuclear war.

[HighRoadToChina]

Capitalism as understood by the little guy running a mom and pop shop is not the same as what is practiced by the big time "Capitalist" who understands only Monopoly--the absolute control of markets which can only be gotten through working with dictators.

The Power Elite in America and in the West have always played the game of neutralization while getting rich at the same time. They want to neutralize America by building up Nazi China--just as they did with Nazi Germany, Soviet Union and so forth.

A great author and researcher, Anthony Sutton, who recently passed away has documented this rather seemingly strange relationship between "Capitalists" and every dictator since the beginning of the last century in his fact filled books:

1. National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, in 1973 by Anthony C. Sutton
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html

2. Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, by Anthony C. Sutton
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/sutton_wall_street/

3. Wall Street and The Bolshevik Revolution, by Anthony C. Sutton
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

Another great author and researcher has documented how free China was "lost" to the Communists in a very systematic manner:

4. How the Far East Was Lost: American Policy and the Creation of Communist China, 1941-1949, by Anthony Kubek

5. The Red China Papers, by Anthony Kubek

So, what I am trying to say is that "Free Trade" is definitely NOT about "free" trade but is about the control of markets in the guise of "Free Trade", especially the ownership of controlled markets like in Nazi China where one needs only to negotiate with the dictators to win wholesale markets and contracts for cheap labor.

Isn't that what Big Businesses are saying when it comes to Communist China? 1.2 billion market and cheap labor?

Please take the time to read the links above to better understand what has been called the "International Capitalist Communist Conspiracy" or ICCC for short.

As an aside, go rent the Frank Capra's excellent movie on what the Nazi's were planning to do to the world in his movie, "World War II Vol 1: Prelude to War/The Nazi Strike." This Nazi plan to convert the entire world into a giant slave factory system is being perfected by the Communist Chinese today with the capital of the "Capitalists".

Ping for the rest of you that I am PINGing!

[Elliott Jackalope]

Thank you for posting this. Well said. Why do so many supporters of free trade refuse to seriously consider the social and political consequences of their position? They base their arguments on theoretical concepts while ignoring the fact that their policy is not happening in a test tube, it is happening in the real world. You know, that messy place with all of the people in it who have emotions and who often vote based upon their emotions.

[Texas_Dawg]

Read the rest of my reply at 13 and you will have your answer.

OK... but I wasn't asking about a question of self defense. I was asking, "Would you do it right now, today, August 1st, 2003?"

[FITZ]

It's Capitalism for the Many versus Capitalism for the Few. America was built on Capitalism for everyone ---that's what made us a strong middle class society.

[SSN558]

Good Piece. Case in point is Mexico. NAFTA and free trade took Americans jobs and gave them to Mexicans. Now the Mexicans jobs are being outsourced to Asia, in search of even greater profits for bilionaire CEO's. The jobs created by U.S. corporations in Mexico did not last long enough for them to derive any benefit. Mexico was polluted, expoloited, then abandoned.

[Jeff Head]

American can't "bring up" the rest of the world economically - the cost is just too much, even if that were the goal.

Spend a few weeks in India, or any of the other nations like her, and it is blatantly obvious that this is so.

They have to rasie themselves up and in order to do that, IMHO, they will need to practise a republican based, representative government that recognizes unalienable rights and where they derive from...at least that should be test for full admission into our Free Market.

Otherwise we dilute and corrupt our free marker by allowing its basis to take on more and more of the antithesis to that which makes it strong.

...and this economic issue is just one of the major battles we are fighting in the fight for America's heart and soul.

[Normal4me]

If I may chime in here...For what reason would we possibly have to nuke a country in which a billion people are struggling to survive in? If it is in your opinion, to change economic trends and provide more jobs here, then you need some help.

[Texas_Dawg]

Your not putting yourself in a class with those two, are you?

I'm not, ex. If you go back and follow the thread, all I've done is ask some people here if they would do it. TopDog2 said he would. I wouldn't.

[Tauzero]

"It makes no sense for us to deal with another country as if they are a free market when they're not, any more than it would make sense to treat North Korea as a democratic republic."

Actually it can make sense economically in the short run, but it is corrupting -- and thus bad economically in the long run.

What are all of our regulations but a testament to our corruption? We know how we should behave -- with honesty, kindness, and fairness -- and yet we do not do so. So we pass laws. And then the next stage of corruption begins, where ethics are displaced by laws, which are ethics' mere shadows. "It's not illegal, so I shall do it."

How corrupt are you, my country? Let me count the pages of the federal register.

[Eva]

Nazi China? I think the term Nazi is a little overused, what you really mean in Fascist China. China has indeed perfected Mousolini's model, and yes the control of the markets, helped along by the Kyoto treaty is indeed aimed at bringing down the US.

[Diddle E. Squat]

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[Texas_Dawg]

If I may chime in here...For what reason would we possibly have to nuke a country in which a billion people are struggling to survive in? If it is in your opinion, to change economic trends and provide more jobs here, then you need some help.

All I've done is ask the question to some people. I do not support it. Some people at FR do (see Post #49 of this thread).

[snopercod]

Untrammeled capitalism is evil, period.

Capitalism is the most moral political/economic system ever devised by man. In the historically-short span of 200 years, it has brought mankind up out of what used to be a short, miserable lifespan of unspeakable, backbreaking labor, squalor, disease, and tyranny.

Is that what you call evil?

[Willie Green]

It's basic flaw is that ignores the profit motive.

Actually, it optimizes profits for the ruling elite.
It's flaw is that it treats labor as a mere commodity, with all the rights, privileges and political self-interest of a damn sugar-beet.

[FITZ]

Capitalism for the middle class is very very good. Some people confuse that for the third world type capitalists where just a few hold all the wealth.

[Normal4me]

Wasn't it you who does computer drafting now and used to frame houses?

[Cacophonous]

Thank you; I yield to your superior knowledge.

But Ricardo was a big influnce on Marx, who saw free trade as a means to get the ruling elite rich.

[Texas_Dawg]

Our politicians need to concern themselves with the fate of Americans, not just the fate of the greedy few.

Maybe our citizens need to quit blaming politicians for all their problems and work a little harder if they aren't happy with their economic situation.