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Pioneering Army Unit to Debut in Iraq
AP | 8/02/03 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 08/02/2003 1:42:16 PM PDT by kattracks

FORT LEWIS, Wash. (AP) - A whisper of cool, mountain air slips through an open window in Col. Michael Rounds' office at this quiet Army post in the shadow of the Cascades. The setting could hardly be more unlike what Rounds' soldiers will face shortly in hot and chaotic Iraq.

Rounds commands a newly formed Stryker brigade combat team - the first of its kind, intended as a model for the Army of the future, and scheduled to make its combat debut in Iraq within two months.

``The brigade is ready to go,'' Rounds said in an interview.

Rounds' unit, formed from the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, has trained intensively this year in anticipation of being certified combat ready by October. It was not until July 23, however, that the soldiers learned they will be going to Iraq as part of a troop rotation plan.

Although President Bush declared on May 1 that major combat was over, military commanders in Iraq have said repeatedly that they still are in a war zone, one in which the tool they prize most - timely information about the enemy - is the very one that Rounds' soldiers are equipped to provide.

``One of the greatest advantages we have is that we can share information very quickly, and by sharing information very quickly we feel we are less vulnerable'' to surprise attack, Rounds said Friday.

The Iraq mission is a milestone for the Stryker Brigade, which itself represents a first step in the Army's effort to become a force more relevant to 21st-century missions.

It may one day be recognized as the most telling legacy of Gen. Eric Shinseki, who retired this summer after four years as the Army's chief of staff, the top uniformed officer. In October 1999, Shinseki outlined a plan for remaking the Army by 2010 into a more versatile force that can move quickly onto distant battlefields, armed with unparalleled ability to dictate the pace of fighting.

Coincidentally, it was the Army's experience in the Persian Gulf in 1990, when Iraq invaded Kuwait and seemed poised to grab the oil fields of eastern Saudi Arabia, that led to the Stryker model.

Shinseki often recalls that the Army's only answer to Iraq's threat to those Saudi oil fields was to send the 82nd Airborne Division. It is quick to respond but was too lightly armed to sustain an effective defense had the Iraqi army crossed the Saudi border and raced for the oil fields.

It was that gap between light and heavy forces that Shinseki and others realized must be closed.

Lt. Gen. Edward Soriano, commanding general of Fort Lewis and the Army's 1st Corps, said in a separate interview Friday that he has no doubt that Rounds has prepared his soldiers for the challenges of Iraq.

``It's going to be difficult,'' he said. ``But I have all the confidence in the world that these soldiers will do just fine. They are pumped up. They are psyched up.''

The Stryker is the Army's first new combat vehicle in two decades, although it actually is intended as a stepping stone to the ultimate goal: a high-tech family of fighting systems known as the Future Combat System, which still is on the drawing board and is expected to include unmanned ground and aerial vehicles.

One Stryker can be flown aboard an Air Force C-130 cargo plane, which is designed to land on short, substandard airfields in remote areas. Thus the Stryker Brigade is capable of reaching areas, including the deserts of western Iraq, that units built around tanks could not reach by air.

Gen. John Keane, the acting Army chief of staff, announced on July 23 a plan to maintain the current troop strength in Iraq while allowing those who have been there longest to go home. To do that, the Army is calling on the National Guard as well as active duty units such as the Stryker Brigade.

Asked what gave him confidence that the first Stryker Brigade is ready for real-world combat, Keane pointed to the Fort Irwin, Calif., and Fort Polk, La., training sessions the Strykers conducted last spring.

``We put it through its paces against the toughest opponent our forces have ever faced'' - the training center competition, he said. ``They are ready to go.''

The Stryker is a 19-ton, eight-wheeled armored vehicle built in the United States and Canada. It comes in two variants: an infantry carrier and a mobile gun system. The infantry carrier, in turn, has eight configurations, including a reconnaissance vehicle, a mortar carrier and a vehicle for the brigade commander.

It is named for two Medal of Honor winners: Pfc. Stuart S. Stryker, killed in action in Germany on March 24, 1945; and Spec. 4 Robert F. Stryker, killed in Vietnam on Nov. 7, 1967. They were not related.

On the Net:

Stryker Brigade Combat Team: http://www.lewis.army.mil/transformation/



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2ndid; fortlewis; iraq; rebuildingiraq; stryker; strykerbrigade; strykerbtrigade; wheeledarmor
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1 posted on 08/02/2003 1:42:17 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
unmanned ground and aerial vehicles.


2 posted on 08/02/2003 2:06:05 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
SkyNet strikes again!
3 posted on 08/02/2003 2:11:09 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: kattracks
Going to be a disaster. From what I have heard, when armed with a 105, the turret cannot traverse, otherwise it tips over. I have also heard that 12.7 can make mincemeat of the armor.
4 posted on 08/02/2003 2:14:36 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: kattracks
Am I the only one who looks at a Stryker and identifies BTR-60?

I am all for mobility, and I wish those fine troops the best, but can somebody tell me what a Stryker can do that some variant of the LAV could not?

Back in the 1970's the Soviet Airborne had motorized rifle regiments mounted in air droppable BMD Infantry Fighting Vehicles, with fire support provided by ASU-85 self-propelled assault guns. That was 30 years ago and our Airborne is going to war in GAC's.

I think it is a good thing that we have to go to the other side of the world to get to the bad guys, but how we get there affects how fast we go and what we can take with us. I'm a Stryker skeptic. I wonder if it is just too big and heavy and hard to maintain. Wouldn't we be better off to give the light infantry and airmobile and airborne armored HUMMV's and ATV's and Chenoweth's and an air-droppable Sheridan replacement, and give the Marines more M1A2's and the amphibs to haul them?

Seems to me what we need instead of Strykers is an amphibious armored cavalry regiment.

5 posted on 08/02/2003 2:22:39 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ("A little more grape, Captain Bragg.")
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To: kattracks
>Shinseki often recalls that the Army's only answer to Iraq's threat to those Saudi oil fields was to send the 82nd Airborne Division

If this new unit
was designed to counter big
incursions, then what

will they be doing
in present-day Iraq, where
troops are mopping up?

If they're not sent in
to kick big butt big time, will
they be told to look

friendly, and do jobs
like neighborhood policing? Am
I missing something?

6 posted on 08/02/2003 2:24:37 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
For people like me
who've never seen it, here is
the thing, and info...
7 posted on 08/02/2003 2:29:01 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: kattracks
19 tons? There's a lot of bridges this baby is going to have to go around - not over.



8 posted on 08/02/2003 2:34:21 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Support Our Troops!)
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To: theFIRMbss
Mine's bigger! - Thanks for the link - still specs for this monster are apparently classified. How fast, how far, etc.


;-)
9 posted on 08/02/2003 2:41:19 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Support Our Troops!)
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To: kattracks
SGT Stryker?

"My name is Stryker, Sgt. John M. Stryker. You're goin' a be my squad, a rifle squad. Three of us have seen action, Cpl. Dunn, Charlie Bass and myself. You're goin' a learn from us. In boot camp ya learned out of a book. Out here you've got a remember the book and learn a thousand things that have never been printed--probably never will be. You got a learn right and ya got a learn fast. And any man that doesn't want a cooperate, I'll make him wish he hadn't been born. Before I'm through with ya, you're goin' a move like one man and think like one man. If you don't you'll be dead. You guys have had a nice easy day. I hope ya enjoyed it because it's the last one you're goin' a get for a long time. You joined the Marines because you wanted to fight. Well, you're goin' a get your chance and I'm here to see that you know how. If I can't teach ya one way, I'll teach ya another. But I'll get the job done. The skipper of this outfit is Capt. Joyce. Platoon leader is Lt. Baker. Platoon Sergeant, Sgt. Ryke. Any questions?--That's all!"

10 posted on 08/02/2003 2:48:52 PM PDT by Gamecock (Calvinism, not just a good idea, but Scripturally correct!)
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To: Gamecock
This is going to be bad.
11 posted on 08/02/2003 3:51:18 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (No longshoremen were injured to produce this tagline.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
12 posted on 08/02/2003 3:55:49 PM PDT by Gamecock (Calvinism, not just a good idea, but Scripturally correct!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
tell me what a Stryker can do that some variant of the LAV could not?

It is a variant of the LAV--has some upgrades, but is not that different.

13 posted on 08/02/2003 4:39:19 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
I was using LAV to refer to the Marine Corps LAV-25 such as many of us saw who stayed up late last March to see Fox News embed Rick Leventhal. From what I have gathered the Marines are pretty satisfied with this vehicle's performance in Iraq

This site has some info on it:

http://www.paratrooper.net/aotw/commo/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3903&whichpage

I am not at home or I would have HTML'd that link for you

Stryker is not a Marine LAV-25. Here are the Advantages of the LAV-25 over the Stryker ITC (Infantry Troop Carrier):

1) LAV-25 is amphibious, Stryker is not.

2) LAV-25 is more nimble and cross country maneuverable due to 10,000+ lbs less weight. LAV-25 is around 14 tons and the Stryker is around 19 tons.

3) LAV-25 can be sling loaded by CH-53, Stryker cannot.

4) LAV-25 has 25mm bushmaster and turret. Stryker has remote mounted .50 cal OR Mk19.

5) LAV-25 is truely C-130 transportable, Most of the 10 Stryker varients are not.

6) LAV-25 costs 1/3 the price of a Stryker.

14 posted on 08/02/2003 5:34:09 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ("A little more grape, Captain Bragg.")
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To: kattracks
The Army could have bought LAVS...they seem to work just fine for the Marines, but I guess that would have kept some retired generals/corporate VPs from making the big bucks in R&D cost overruns, etc.
15 posted on 08/02/2003 6:22:02 PM PDT by MadJack
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To: Conservative84
What do you think, Dai Uy?
16 posted on 08/02/2003 7:15:28 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ("A little more grape, Captain Bragg.")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Roger all that. The replacement cost of the LAV-25 is $900,000. And it can go 65 mph. The Stryker, relatively, is a pig. Picture of LAV-25 in action below:


17 posted on 08/02/2003 7:33:55 PM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: Conservative84
What do you think, Dai Uy?
18 posted on 08/02/2003 7:36:43 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ("A little more grape, Captain Bragg.")
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To: kattracks
To all, lets also not forget that all of these BDEs vehicles have real time C2 and digital comms, to give all levels of command real time situational information. They also are not going into a unprpepared theater, while Iraq is not a mature theater of operations it is far from an unprepared one, there are LOCs in place to allow this BDE which has exceptionally light/austere logistics capability a fairly robust back up support capability. Also they'll leverage all the add-on armor capability for their vehicles which limits deployment timelines again not a consideration for this operation. FYI they kicked both the NTC and JRTC OPFOR's ass even with the new COE enhancements the OPFOR has been upgraded with based on Enduring and IRAQ Freedom lessons learned. I've seen both the offical and the OPFOR's internal AARs. I think they'll do alright.
19 posted on 08/02/2003 7:50:35 PM PDT by dragon6 (BOWIE 90 Mend the Sword)
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To: dragon6
So what gives these things the edge at the NTCs? You hit, you blink, you die (unless you cheat). Fire and maneuver is the same once you know the terrain.

Unless they were given an artificial edge I'm curious as to why they came out on top.
20 posted on 08/02/2003 8:07:40 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
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