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Posted on 08/03/2003 1:59:22 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson
I understand that. And I hope it is. However I do have a problem with 48 elected representatives of the Republican party voting for a bill with such wording on the hopes that it would be stripped down the line. Unfortunately, I've heard that before as it pertains to other bills.

I also see that HR760 looks almost identical to S3 at it's identical point in proceedings. I will respectfully wait until the bill passes but knowing the possible closeness of the bill in the Senate, I can't say that I trust that Section will be gone in the final bill

41 posted on 08/04/2003 5:27:08 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: jwalsh07
We could pray that that would happen, but I'd say the chances of the states ignoring the SCOTUS is more likely nil.
42 posted on 08/04/2003 5:27:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: billbears
Yes, but in the meantime you seem perfectly willing to slander the pro-life Republicans with obvious propaganda. Thanks for nothing.

43 posted on 08/04/2003 5:29:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Affirming Roe v Wade is not necessarily a poison pill becuase Roe, in the philosopher kings infinite wisdom, draws lines between trimesters. Had they affirmed Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton, which expanded the killing to on the way out, then the only bill on PBA to come out would be neutered.
44 posted on 08/04/2003 5:30:01 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Jim Robinson
We could pray that that would happen, but I'd say the chances of the states ignoring the SCOTUS is more likely nil.

Well Jim, I've been praying since the Lawrence decision that some republican would have the guts and the gall to smack down activist courts using the power of the purse and the powers granted to the Congress in the Constitution and lo and behold, here comes Hostetlers amendment defunding the enforcement of the courts ruling banning the display of the Ten Commandments in an Alabama courtroom.

You never know. LOL

45 posted on 08/04/2003 5:33:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
You never know. But I'd still suggest that we vote as many Democrats out of office as possible. Makes sense to directly reject liberalism wherever and whenever possible.

46 posted on 08/04/2003 5:35:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
You never know. But I'd still suggest that we vote as many Democrats out of office as possible. Makes sense to directly reject liberalism wherever and whenever possible.

Goes without saying.

47 posted on 08/04/2003 5:47:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Sure does:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/958107/posts

Ugh!
48 posted on 08/04/2003 5:48:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Bump for life.
49 posted on 08/04/2003 6:05:58 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Jim Robinson
It is worth noting that senator barbara boxer stated during the floor debates that the bill in question would 'effectively ban the most common abortion procedure used from mid second trimester on' yet too many have failed to recognize what the ghoul had admitted to, accidentally.

It might also be useful to note here that the reason this horrific killing method is so common from twenty weeks of life onward is directly related to the fragile state of the very much alive prenatal child's body ... prior to twenty weeks, the baby will 'come apart too easily' thus mixing her blood with the woman's body, a greater peril to the woman than the 'desired' killing outcome. The serial killers don't mind slaughtering the alive infants, they just want to avoid the 'complications' more likely with dismemberment while inside the woman's body.

While watching the Senate exchanges where senator clinton debated Senator Santorum, I had the distinct queezy feeling of 'in the presence of true evil' as clinton did her evil best to obfuscate the truth of what she was vigorously defending, actually 'parsing' her terminology while lying before the nation, the senate, and God Almighty. A person who can so easily tell lies and twist facts to defend the indefensible, if elected to even higher office, is more threat than all the al Qaeda demons could ever accomplish. [Al Qaeda has only murdered thousands of Americans; the serial killers and their defenders have tallied tens-of-millions slaughtered ... and every one of those prenatal beings killed was a near relative to at least the woman persuaded to be complicit in the killing. Patrick Moynihan used a phrase, 'defining deviancy down'; condoning, institutionalizing, and championing the purposed slaughter of our most innocent relatives is surely a most evil deviancy we the people have lent tacit acceptance to perhaps because we are too selfish to take the responsibility of our nation's own children ... and that must change if this nation is to survive. We the People must stop our suicidal rush toward our extinction.]

50 posted on 08/04/2003 8:49:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: jwalsh07
Much has been mentioned regarding the SCOTUS count when a challenge to the Senate bill occurs. The Stenberg v Carhardt ruling is noteworthy because O'Connor's comments indicate to me that she will vote to uphold this current wording; it more narrowly defines the infanticide methodology and because the 'save the life of the mother' clause is included and can give her a way to accept the ban as issued in law of the Fed.

Sadly, when this horrific slaughter method is banned by law, the saline scaldings and prostaglandin poisonings will rise. The demonic servants will continue to kill the innocent little ones until all abortion to viable babies is banned and only the effort to save a woman's life is allowed as reason for ending an abortion. But we all know the democrats are about championing a woman's right to a dead baby as the most crucial political empowerment they (the demoncrats) have.

As A. Coulter has aptly stated, 'The Democrat party is the party of abortion slaughter.' Until the nation repudiates them for their evil, this will not change and too many will be led astray while millions of babies are slaughtered in the democrat name of convenience and enlightened social practice. Yeah, killing innocent little ones is 'enlightened' ... to democrats. And Hillary, Diane, Barabara B., Tom H., Fat Teddy, Deadly Dorgan, and Barbara Mc will tell you 'it's for the children'. If that's so, Hell is for the democrats

51 posted on 08/04/2003 9:17:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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"... and only the effort to save a woman's life is allowed as reason for ending an abortion." SHOULD READ, "... and only the effort to save a woman's life is allowed as reason for ending a pregnancy." Self defense is an acceptable reason for ending a pregnancy ... but it ought not guarantee a dead viable baby! Technology is fast arriving that will blur the deadly goal of ending pregnancy, as artifical wombs are now in testing.
52 posted on 08/04/2003 9:21:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Jim Robinson
..it's the only way possible to dig ourselves out of the current liberal/socialist/marxist hell. I want Liberty restored in my lifetime. There's no way that's gonna happen with the Democrats in charge.

Nor Republicans who are really just the same but disguised as one of us or who have no backbone and roll over and play dead when it's time to take a stand. We have to be really careful not to fall for this. What smarter way to defeat your enemy than from within. The frog slowly heated until death doesn't jump out of the pot in time.

And also thanks for the info. When you wrote about the babies being cut up alive it made me cry. God Bless, Kathleen

53 posted on 08/05/2003 1:09:27 AM PDT by Bellflower (a Dem by any other name smells the same)
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To: cpforlife.org; Jim Robinson; TigersEye
Please add me to your ping list and I love your graphic.

Thank you, Jim Robinson.

Tiger, here's info.

54 posted on 08/05/2003 3:42:59 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Mo1
Also, suprising as it may seem, many folks don't understand what PBA is all about .. we need to educate the public as well

Grapevine indicates that black ministers are FINALLY starting to preach about abortion, to educate their congregations about PBA and letting them know that it is the Bush administration that will see the ban enacted. This is an issue that wins with voters, and one that is FINALLY dividing the Demonrat party. We cannot stop the enemies of Life from trying every trick in their playbook to stall this Constitution-restoring legislation, but every time they do it gives all of us more time and opportunity to educate the public.

They will fall into the trap their own hands have set. Amen.

55 posted on 08/05/2003 3:53:15 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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Once I was wishy-washy pro-choice, but when I found out what PBA was all about, naturally I could never support such a procedure. But, I was so shaken by this barbaric procedure that I suddenly found myself repelled by abortion in any form. I think many will have this same reaction once they are exposed to the truth about PBA.
56 posted on 08/05/2003 4:07:16 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Never forget: CLINTON PARDONED TERRORISTS)
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To: .30Carbine
Grapevine indicates that black ministers are FINALLY starting to preach about abortion, to educate their congregations about PBA and letting them know that it is the Bush administration that will see the ban enacted.

That is good .. the only way the public is going to know what PBA is all about, is if more folks are explaining it.

57 posted on 08/05/2003 7:12:18 AM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: .30Carbine
Welcome to the Pro-Life Ping List!

Also, please take time to visit my two websites:

CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE at:
http://www.CpForLife.org

AND

NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL at:
http://www.CpForLife.org/Memorial

Thanks,

Kevin

58 posted on 08/05/2003 8:28:48 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, a LIAR and MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

You seem to be ontop of this, have you any updates on the court cases?

Thanks

59 posted on 05/05/2004 8:28:07 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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