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It's Unstoppable: High Tech Jobs Ditching US
Associated Press/ The Straits Times ^ | 08-03-03

Posted on 08/03/2003 6:53:00 PM PDT by Brian S

The need to stay competitive will benefit countries such as India, China and even Singapore, where labour costs are lower

EVEN though the United States' ailing technology sector looks poised to recover, the bad news for job-seekers in the world's largest economy is that they won't benefit.

Faced with intense competition and the need to cut costs, one in 10 technology jobs is likely to move overseas within the next 18 months, says research firm Gartner.

The beneficiaries will be countries such as India, China, Vietnam and Singapore, which are seen as being able to deliver cheaper and faster software development, manufacturing and tech support.

The trend appears to be an unstoppable force, and that not just infuriates jobless workers but also worries some economists who say it may ultimately hinder the US economic recovery.

'This is part of why the economy is still sluggish,' said director Mac Clouse of the Reiman School of Finance at the University of Denver. 'It's not the traditional economic model any more,' he said.

'Businesses may be spending, but they're not spending their dollars here - it's not going to result in new jobs and increased economic activity.'

However, US business executives say they can't compete, let alone keep their companies alive, if they hire US IT workers for US$40,000 (S$70,000) to US$80,000 a year while their competitors hire the same talent in India for US$8,500 to US$9,800.

So, when Denver-based software company Quark was deciding where to build a new facility that will employ 1,000 software and technology workers, it chose Chandigarh, India.

Late last month, news leaked that IBM would move 1,000 jobs overseas.

A couple of weeks earlier, Microsoft said it would hire 5,000 more people, up to 2,000 of them outside the US. At about the same time, Oracle said it will almost double workers in its Indian unit to 6,000.

'There's a lot of interest,' said the company's president Robert Welch. 'American software teams are awesome for innovation, but in terms of being able to crank things out in a productive manner, they're not the best on the planet.'

Three years ago, Louisville-based Storage Technology moved its manufacturing operations to Puerto Rico. Agilent Technologies also shipped hundreds of its Colorado Springs jobs to India and China. Also in the Springs, broadband device maker Actiontec sent several hundred jobs to India, and computer storage firm Quantum sent 865 jobs to Malaysia.

Denver tech consulting firm Ciber revealed a few weeks ago it will create new software and IT-related jobs in India.

Chief executive Mac Slingerlend of Ciber argues that by using Indian workers, his firm ultimately saves US jobs.

For instance, Ciber lost work from a major client, American Express, when the financial firm sent half of its software development work to India.

Because Ciber didn't do work in India at the time, the company lost the business and was forced to cut 100 jobs in its Phoenix office, Mr Slingerlend said. 'I've cost American jobs by not doing work on India.'

That doesn't provide much consolation to the thousands looking for work, some of whom say they were replaced by foreign workers.

Yet jobs have been leaving the US for years in a number of other industries. The automotive industry began hiring offshore in the 1960s as clothing, shoe and widget manufacturers did a decade later. In 1970, manufacturing jobs made up 15 per cent of the Colorado workforce. By 2000, they made up just 9.3 per cent.

And more recently, customer call centres started moving overseas.

However, critics say that while manufacturing jobs in the 1970s were replaced with new and higher-paying jobs in technology, the future for today's jobless tech workers is not clear.

Still, Colorado's secretary of technology John Hansen said the solution is not regulation. That, he said, will strangle businesses' global competitiveness.

Instead, US companies and citizens must innovate and come up with technologies that create new companies and ultimately new jobs. -- AP ========================================================

'No one knows what will replace these jobs.' - Mr Mac Clouse, director of the Reiman School of Finance at the University of Denver. He says while manufacturing jobs in the 1970s were replaced with new and higher-paying jobs in technology, the future for today's jobless tech workers is not clear


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: outsourcing
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1 posted on 08/03/2003 6:53:00 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
Reduce the tax burden and regulation, this will stop the problem real fast.
2 posted on 08/03/2003 6:56:00 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Brian S
Did IBM just open a $2.5B facility in NY?
3 posted on 08/03/2003 6:56:14 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Lazamataz; harpseal
ping
4 posted on 08/03/2003 6:56:16 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: KevinDavis
yeah sure, a US worker can be competitive with someone from Vietnam, if we just reduce taxes and regulation. LOL!
5 posted on 08/03/2003 6:57:07 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Brian S
Why would a Fortune 500's Board of Directors hire an American CEO for tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars per year, if an executive from India could be hired for a mere couple of hundred thousand?
6 posted on 08/03/2003 6:57:59 PM PDT by rochester
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To: Brian S
"The beneficiaries will be countries such as India, China, Vietnam and Singapore, which are seen as being able to deliver cheaper and faster software development, manufacturing and tech support."

Excuse me, folks, but, CHEEZ!, there ARE other areas of "high technology" besides the computer business.

7 posted on 08/03/2003 6:59:27 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: oceanview
yeah sure, a US worker can be competitive with someone from Vietnam, if we just reduce taxes and regulation. LOL!

When you cut taxes and deregulate, you help small businesses more, and those small businesses don't move, or "out source" overseas. Alot of manufacturing also is done overseas, because there aren't the same crazy enviornmental and labor regulations.

8 posted on 08/03/2003 7:00:36 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: rochester
because once you become part of the tight inner circle, you are protected from any of this stuff. that's what it means to be one of the "elites". You're fine, your kids get into the top schools and get top jobs because of "connections". This is the very definition of privilege. The rest of us are left to compete against the Vietnamese earning $1 per day, or perhaps working at gunpoint for nothing.
9 posted on 08/03/2003 7:00:54 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Brian S
EVEN though the United States' ailing technology sector looks poised to recover, the bad news for job-seekers in the world's largest economy is that they won't benefit.

No one's demagoguing on this one quite yet, but it's going to be the story of the next election.

10 posted on 08/03/2003 7:02:01 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Wonder Warthog
next time you go for an XRAY or an MRI, ask where it is being read. that will answer your question. Its not just IT by any means that is getting hit by this.
11 posted on 08/03/2003 7:02:19 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Brian S
'No one knows what will replace these jobs.

But something will. There is not much call for buggy-whip makers these days either. I was a high-five figure/low-six-figure *nix sys-admin/business process design geek. Laid off last November, and un-employed full-time student ever since (with no help from the state).

I can't be much of anything but positive about the future. Cycles happen. Good savings, good survival skills and willingness to move forward are as useful today as they were in the 1890's or the 1930's or the 1970's.

/john

12 posted on 08/03/2003 7:03:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: Brian S
Emergency action is required. Let's start shipping those countries some of our lawyers. That'll fix 'em.
13 posted on 08/03/2003 7:03:39 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: oceanview
No, no, there is not high-tech job problem
remember when GATT and NAFTA got passed it
was ok manufacturing jobs when overseas
because those were backward primitive jobs
that a civilized nation did not want
and they would replaced by great high tech.
jobs we just needed to get everyone trained
to program computers.
So we just need spend more money on the
Department of Education to fund computer
programing classes and everything will be
fine.
14 posted on 08/03/2003 7:04:21 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: John Jorsett
Let's start shipping those countries some of our lawyers. That'll fix 'em.

That has to be against the Geneva Convention. Kinder to nuke them.

/john

15 posted on 08/03/2003 7:05:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: Brian S
Instead, US companies and citizens must innovate and come up with technologies that create new companies and ultimately new jobs.

The head of the nail. Or if it makes you feel better to bitch about it, then those who need to, carry on.

17 posted on 08/03/2003 7:09:09 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
and his job of course, and the corporate officers, the lawyers, the pilot of his jet, the people who work at his Mercedes dealer, etc.
18 posted on 08/03/2003 7:10:37 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Brian S
The USA is being 'Economically Nuked' into a 3rd world (4th?) nation by 'pro' 3rd world internationalist traitors?

The USA needs to start craft sweatshops hand-weaving union classes.

/sarcasm

19 posted on 08/03/2003 7:11:04 PM PDT by maestro
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To: wirestripper
any new company would have the offshore jobs component built in from the start.
20 posted on 08/03/2003 7:13:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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