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The climate must change And reform must start with America (Whine alert)
Guardian ^ | 08/06/03 | Leader

Posted on 08/05/2003 7:14:35 PM PDT by Pikamax

The climate must change

And reform must start with America

Leader Wednesday August 6, 2003 The Guardian

There is no doubt that the current spell of hot, humid weather coiled around the northern hemisphere is having devastating consequences for the globe. Whether it is wilting crops in Pakistan or expanding railway tracks in Britain, the deleterious effects are all too apparent. Evidence increasingly points to a weather system shaped more and more not by nature but by humanity. The pattern of industrial development of modern day society appears to be producing too much pollution for the world to cope with. The effects will irrevocably remake the climate for the worse.

Warning voices, carrying the threat of a future dystopia, are becoming clearer and more insistent. In today's paper John Schellnhuber, the head of Britain's foremost climate change thinktank, describes how the "parching heat experienced now could be a standard expression of an extreme overall development".

Two weeks ago Sir John Houghton, the former head of the Met Office, compared climate change to a weapon of mass destruction. "Like terrorism, this weapon knows no boundaries. It can strike anywhere, in any form - a heatwave in one place, a drought or a flood or a storm surge in another."

Respected scientists warn climate change could make the planet too hot for life itself. It may be true that the earth's atmosphere is being altered sluggishly and in an indeterminate manner - but neither of these is a reason for inaction.

Global warming is becoming part of the present. The 1990s was the hottest decade in the millennium - and 1998 was the warmest year. Bizarrely, the weight of the evidence required for policymakers around the world to act decisively is not great enough for the world's greatest polluter, America.

On gaining office, the Bush administration, with its roots in oil and big business, withdrew unilaterally from the biggest international commitment to cut greenhouse gas emissions - the Kyoto protocol. To gain some scale of how reckless this act of political vandalism was consider this: if US states were independent nations they would comprise 25 of the top 60 nations that emit greenhouse gases - Texas's emissions alone exceed France's.

Washington has deployed a mixture of indifference to the pressing nature of climate change and incredulity that anybody else was prepared to do anything about it. This was, and is, a dangerous act. Kyoto has still not come into force - Russia has yet to sign up. Even worse is that new data suggests Kyoto, designed when climate change was thought be less destructive, will be out of date by the time it becomes effective.

Changing the way we live and consume the earth's resources will impose economic costs today for environmental returns tomorrow. The future should see industry reducing carbon dioxide emissions. Energy-efficient homes and cleaner transport will help alleviate urban smog. Eventually new technologies will emerge that see green power replace fossil fuels which adversely affect the atmosphere. This tomorrow will only come into existence if governments produce policies that encourage a new form of development. Urgent changes are needed - the billions in India and China cannot live as the world's wealthy do today.

More cash for alternative energy sources, making polluters pay and removing subsidies for dirty fuels, are first steps. Poor countries, which will suffer most from extreme weather conditions, will need cash and help to deal with problems that rich nations, acting irresponsibly, have created for them. America should realise there are many ways to tackle climate change but ignoring it is not one of them.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: climatechange; environment; globalwarming; kyoto
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1 posted on 08/05/2003 7:14:36 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
Yeah yeah, and the Guardians liberal bias is making all the lawn gnomes around the world grumpy. If we don;t end the liberal bias soo terrible things will happen...like even grumpier lawn gnomes.

The Guardian should realise there are many ways to tackle liberal bias but ignoring it is not one of them.

2 posted on 08/05/2003 7:19:28 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Pikamax
It should be over 100 degrees in Paris tomorrow.

How can people live like that? No wonder they're always so upset. ;-)

3 posted on 08/05/2003 7:20:08 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (All roads lead to reality. That's why I smile.)
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To: Pikamax
When they are having record cold tempatures this winter, are they going to be printing the same type of article. When in doubt, blame America.
4 posted on 08/05/2003 7:20:56 PM PDT by Russell Scott (When Christ's Kingdom appears, all of man's problems will disappear.)
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To: Pikamax
Warning voices, carrying the threat of a future dystopia, are becoming clearer and more insistent.

The leftist seems always to depend on threats of future dystopia. It's a pity they need white-knuckled fear to sell their ideas, rather than inherent appeal and logic.

Fear is the leverage they need to perpetrate ideological enslavement.

5 posted on 08/05/2003 7:22:36 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Pikamax
We need to take all liberals and place them in an air-tight container. This will prevent the release of naturally occurring greenhouse gases from their bodies into the atmosphere. The reduction in these greenhose gases will ensure the survival of the planet... for the children.
6 posted on 08/05/2003 7:24:32 PM PDT by nhoward14 (I'm sorry... can you tell me what the meaning of is is?)
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To: Pikamax
When they can forcast weather and related phenomonon with 100% accuracy and show me they have total understanding of what is happening, I might believe in the global warming thing. Until then, I think they are reaching in the dark and basing their information on incomplete data.
7 posted on 08/05/2003 7:25:16 PM PDT by ScrtAccess
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The future should see industry reducing carbon dioxide emissions...Eventually new technologies will emerge that see green power replace fossil fuels which adversely affect the atmosphere.

True, but given that we're within 20-30 years of a new industrial revolution through GNR, (genetic/nano/robotechnology)now is not the time to impose draconian measures that would crush the world economy, and postpone the development/implementation of these new technologies.

Changing the way we live and consume the earth's resources will impose economic costs today for environmental returns tomorrow.

Half right- it will impose horrific costs to the world economy, and IT WILL POSTPONE environmental returns much past tomorrow. (sorry for breaking my own ALL CAPS RULE. felt it was warranted in this case.)

Urgent changes are needed - the billions in India and China cannot live as the world's wealthy do today.

both parts are true- but: The urgent changes are best supplied via a robust, innovative world economy, and "the billions" may or may not be able "to live etc." but they sure as hell will try, regardless of treaties. Best bet is for the developed world to put in place new tech that enables the same lifestyle, with a lower level of consumption- think cell phones replacing landlines, and reducing the need for copper wire, thus reducing mining, smelting, etc.

8 posted on 08/05/2003 7:27:15 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: Pikamax
The future should see industry reducing carbon dioxide emissions...Eventually new technologies will emerge that see green power replace fossil fuels which adversely affect the atmosphere.

True, but given that we're within 20-30 years of a new industrial revolution through GNR, (genetic/nano/robotechnology)now is not the time to impose draconian measures that would crush the world economy, and postpone the development/implementation of these new technologies.

Changing the way we live and consume the earth's resources will impose economic costs today for environmental returns tomorrow.

Half right- it will impose horrific costs to the world economy, and IT WILL POSTPONE environmental returns much past tomorrow. (sorry for breaking my own ALL CAPS RULE. felt it was warranted in this case.)

Urgent changes are needed - the billions in India and China cannot live as the world's wealthy do today.

both parts are true- but: The urgent changes are best supplied via a robust, innovative world economy, and "the billions" may or may not be able "to live etc." but they sure as hell will try, regardless of treaties. Best bet is for the developed world to put in place new tech that enables the same lifestyle, with a lower level of consumption- think cell phones replacing landlines, and reducing the need for copper wire, thus reducing mining, smelting, etc.

9 posted on 08/05/2003 7:27:35 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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LOL! hope they frickin freeze to death this winter.
10 posted on 08/05/2003 7:28:50 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: Pikamax
Hey, Marxist Euroweenies! The summer weather here in the good old Midwest is just fine, thank you. Freaking envirowacko leftist extremist morons!
11 posted on 08/05/2003 7:33:22 PM PDT by AF68
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To: Pikamax
In the 12th century the weather was much warmer. Olive trees grew as far north as Germany. Parts of Greenland and Iceland were forested: they are not now because the weather is too cold. I remain skeptical as to any significant human influence on the weather. It seems the old saw "everybody talks about the weather but never does anything about it, is about to be replaced by a liberal, hubristic attempt at controlling the weather.
12 posted on 08/05/2003 7:37:49 PM PDT by shrinkermd (i)
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Correction: "the current spell of hot, humid weather coiled around the northern hemisphere is" called Summer.

You may now return to your previously scheduled beer.

13 posted on 08/05/2003 7:56:28 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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The Euro weenies hate America because too many of what would be considered the "underclass" in Euroland..enjoy lifestyles comparable to their elite..

Many middle class Americans own property that would make them a Euroweenie elite if this same tract of land were in Euroworld..

So we drive and SUV and according to the Euroweenies (who drive Porches and Mercedes turbo diesels down to their yacts powered by four Volvo turbo diesels) we are the root cause of global warming and their forest fires..

What a basket of nuts their whole friggen in-continent continent is
14 posted on 08/05/2003 8:02:13 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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The global warming hysteria reminds me of both a primitive culture and ritualistic human sacrifice. The causes of ritualistic sacrifice were many. From drought to volcanic activity many humans were butchered to the pagan gods.

The similarities are striking in the eco-pagan demands that humanity must stop all further technological development (which inevitably will lead to widespread death and starvation). Further, many of the (blame humanity) global warmers desire a depopulation of the planet as a means to these ends.

The global warming hysteria is tinged with arrogance. An arrogance that only a primitive mind and belief system could rationalize.

If you accept global warming (only an insane person would think that climate is stable and constant in the face of the historical record), then the most rational approach to the problem would be to place ones energies into understanding the rate of change and then adapting accordingly. The arrogance of the global warming crowd runs counter to any rational thought. This is exhibited in their assumption that they can change the forces of nature and achieve a constant and stable climatic system. Their solution of course is to sacrifice human development to their pagan beliefs of and ordered and structured universe.

Sadly, the eco-pagans would be much closer to the truth if they would turn their energies and sacrificial desires to placate the true cause of global warming. I suppose however, that pagan worship of the sun has lost popularity amongst our current generation of primitive peoples.
15 posted on 08/05/2003 8:06:43 PM PDT by PA Engineer
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It hardly got up to 80 in Chicago today, that global warming is a killer!
16 posted on 08/05/2003 8:09:41 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: Pikamax
It's going down to 60 tonight in Fresno. Probably snow tomorrow afternoon....well, ok, wet snow anyway. I'm going to see the Sierras before the glaciers grind them into dust.

Euroweenies, you pandering and pandered to bunch of sheep, you parliament of whores....if I told you France was made of green cheese from the moon, you'd believe me.

17 posted on 08/05/2003 8:14:29 PM PDT by stboz
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The climate is changing.

Is this unusual, or abnormal?

What does the record say about average global temperatures for the last 50,000 years? Do they fluctuate, or are they static?

The "null hypothesis" of the global warming people is that what is happening A) is abnormal; and B) has a human causation.

Both of these things are false.

18 posted on 08/05/2003 8:18:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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They forget the recent "global cooling." ---

"Newsweek -- April 28, 1975
-" The Cooling World
" There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production– with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now....(snip)

---" Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality. "

Link to article

19 posted on 08/05/2003 8:34:30 PM PDT by gatex
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Thank you, Jim, the thing that infuriates me is their insistence that climate changes are man made. Idiots!
20 posted on 08/05/2003 8:43:18 PM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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