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Yes, you're right as well. But if men had filled the seminaries, I do believe that women wouldn't have. I've seen this happen over and over again in the Methodist Church. They couldn't fill the pulpits with men so they allowed women in. It's a two edged sword. Men are not blameless in this, as much as men would like to think they aren't. Women are rebellious and insubmissive but men also have to take responsibility for some of that. When a man loves his wife, and shows it in palpable ways, I don't believe a woman has a problem submitting to him. When he treats her like a piece of furniture in his home, she does rebel. Men need to face their responsibilities in the home as well as in the church and too many of them just plain don't want to be bothered. Not all, of course, but you just look around and see what homes you know of where the man is the head of the home and leads his family spiritually. I hope you can find many of them. I don't see it much here.

Everything about your response is designed to at least mitigate the culpability of women, and that is precisely the problem. Women keep trying to widen the pool of responsibility as the first step in attempting to dilute it.

If you can assert the man is suppose to lead, even when she won't follow, then I can assert women are suppose to follow, even when he won't lead. This nonsense about her rebelling because he's not holding up his end is nothing but a misguided attempt to convince yourself you actually CAN throw stones from your glass house. I doubt God is impressed by philosophical eye-batting and pouty-lip on the part of women who claim to be His.

I submit a search for the keyword "women" in your Bible will turn up a divine attitude towards women and their predilections (yes Virginia. If "men" can be pigs, "women" can be harpies) much different from the brown-nosing they receive from behind the pulpit from pastors financially dependent on keeping the congregants happy (most of which are usually female).

The problem is contemporary American women will only follow if you're leading somewhere they wanted to go anyway. That's one of the reasons I've said for a long time that there is very little difference between pro-life women and pro-choice women aside from their view on abortion.