[Woahhs]

But I wonder what their fathers and grandfathers were like.

You can't do anything about what their fathers and grandfathers were like. You can do something about what "young women" think by strenuously opposing the "heads I win, tails you lose" character of feminine discourse.

It goes back generations when men don't take the headship of the home seriously.

How does one prove this assertion? If it were wrong, what evidence would you accept as conclusive?

I know that not all families are like that but many, many are, where the woman is more or less made to take the responsibility of leading the family, in church matters or other ways.

When was the last time you heard of a man being criticized as a control freak? In general, most men prefer much more autonomy than most women. Insisting women exercise that autonomy when she doesn't want to is not a failure of leadership; it's a exercise of prerogative.

I know that not all families are like that but many, many are, where the woman is more or less made to take the responsibility of leading the family, in church matters or other ways.

Thank you for the kind reply, but I think we are much farther than you think. I've read Proverbs 31 many times, and I've yet to see anything about the husband's leadership having anything to do with the wife's character. My personal observation is women "take responsibility" because they don't approve of the organizational structure men prefer. The "if you don't like the way I do it, you do it" mentality is closer to reality than any claim men are abdicating their role as head of the household.

[Marysecretary]

I'm not talking about men whose organizational structure is something women don't like. I'm talking about men who have no structure, who could care less about God's call on their lives to be the spiritual heads of their home. It matters a great deal generationally. If your grandfather abdicated his responsibility, it's likely your father did and it's likely you will. It doesn't always happen that way but many times that's exactly what happens. I believe women are looking for strong men to lead the family and they've been disappointed over the years when men haven't. I know this from first hand experience in my own family. It's no fun for a woman to have to carry the burden of responsibility because her husband's too drunk or on drugs or just too weak to do it. Things get out of order quickly when the woman is the head because the man won't do it.

You aren't going to find a lot of Proverbs 31 women in the secular world. They just don't exist. These young women today are being brought up in the world where men aren't needed.