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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'm not sure I get your point.

Most libertarians would not look too fondly on any of the foreign 'rightists' you mention like Pinochet.

Though the LP itself is really only concerned with drug legalization, libertarianism as a philosophy demands a very weak central government with precious little control over the economy or society, thin the US or UK circa 1880.

As for the tie between fascism and communism, they are, of course closely related. The former is National Socialism, the latter International Socialism. Consider that Mussolini, essentially the creator of modern fascism broke with the socialist ranks over the question of nationalism, not some deep ideological divide.

This difference is fairly important on some levels, but for those living under either system the difference is unnoticeable.
3 posted on 08/06/2003 12:29:14 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
The similarities, in my view, between fascism and communism, come from things like their rejection of capitalist democracy, their willingness to empower a special class of the all-knowing to rule, their use of police to suppress dissent, the all to logical prison camps and death camps that follow. Their followers become true believers (see Eric Hoffer’s book – The True Believer). Fascism glorifies violence and race more than communism. Communism glorifies the worker in theory so that it appears to adhere to its origin in Marx’s and Engel’s writings. Both are despicable since they stereotype groups over the individual and in practice are simply about giving power to violent eggheads.
8 posted on 08/06/2003 12:37:31 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberalism corrupts. Absolute Liberalism corrupts absolutely.)
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To: swilhelm73; thoughtomator; Madame Dufarge; Flurry; elhombrelibre; big bad easter bunny
I thank you all for your responses. However, some of you are simply telling me that "nazism is on the left" (because it is "national socialism," as everyone knows) and some of you are just telling me about the importance of freedom.

I would simply like honest, thought-out suggestions as to what it is that unites American "palaeolibertarians" with Old World Rightism. Old World Rightism has no problems with statism and does not worship "liberty," yet it seems to serve as the foreign flagship for American "palaeolibertarians." What is he connection? Why does it exist?

Unfortunately, I disagree that national socialism is leftwing simply because it is a form of socialism. No one considers Francisco Franco to be a leftist, yet the official ideology of his regime was national syndicalism (syndicalism being a form of militant socialism). If national socialism is leftist, does that mean that Franco was leftist because he advocated national syndicalism?

I have been around long enough (and was in the palaeoright JBS long enough) to learn that in America national socialism always came from the right, such as The American M*rc*ry, or the neo-Nazi National Youth Alliance which started as Youth for [George] Wallace in 1968. Why would neo-nazis rally around a man whose entire career was based on opposing government centralism?

My questions still stand if anyone else has any ideas.

22 posted on 08/06/2003 1:17:18 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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