Breakdown of yes-no votes on gay Episcopal bishop

Episcopal News Service ^ | August 6, 03 | Richelle Thompson

[far sider]

My analysis: the only vote I care about now is the one people do with their feet.

[ChewedGum]

Here is my analysis. I basically took East Coast States (touching the coast plus a few like PA), West Coast States (touching the water) and then Central (everything else). The others are either other countries or cities which I did not recognize.

CHOICE	EAST	CENTRAL	WEST	OTHER
YES	25	22	12	3
NO	14	19	1	9
In Favor	64%	53%	92%	25%

I expected the Central percentage to be under 50% so this is kind of surprising. However, nine of the 22 Central 'Yea' votes were from Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. There are only 2 'Nay' votes from the same 5 states.

Dropping those 5 states would yield a 13 to 17 vote or 43% in favor which is what I expected. (Didn't realize those states were that much more liberal than the south-central part of the country.)

Gum

[q_an_a]

in a state with five seats in congress isn't one a democrat? I would be very nervous about all the folks from Calif who left to go skiing and never returned. In five more years conservatives may not be any more powerful in elections than they are in the election of the Bishop for Utah. Someone voted for her and I am well aware of her background.

[ChewedGum]

By the way...my unknowns are as follows:

Yes:
Navajoland Area Mission (Arizona?)
Easton (No idea!)
Convocation of American Churches in Europe (NON US)

No:
Quincy (No idea!)
Eau Claire (No idea!)
San Joaquin (No idea!)
Virgin Islands (NON US)
Honduras (NON US)
Haiti (NON US)
Dominican Republic (NON US)
Taiwan (NON US)
Ecuador (NON US)

If you can help identify these questionable ones, I can update the chart.

Gum

[CatoRenasci]

Quincy could be Illinois

Eu Claire could be Wisconsin

San Joaquin is California

[johnb838]

Curry, Michael – North Carolina

This guy is black, and a helluva preacher. I thought he'd be really good for the Episcopal church, but he voted "yes" like a good boy, down on the liberal plantation. How much you want to bet that the "yes" voters are all the pro-abortion ones too?

[Elsie]

More better???

Yes   Adams III, Gladstone B. -- Central New York Alexander, John Neil --Atlanta Alvarez, David -- Puerto Rico Bainbridge III, Harry B. --Idaho Bennison, Jr., Charles E. --Pennsylvania Bruno, Jon --Los Angeles Caldwell, Bruce --Wyoming Chane, John --Washington Chang, Richard S.O. --Hawaii Creighton, Michael W. --Central Pennsylvania Croneberger, John P. --Newark Curry, Michael --North Carolina Daniel III, Clifton -- East Carolina Ely, Thomas Clark --Vermont Frade, Leopold -- Southeast Florida Garrison, J. Michael --Western New York Gepert, Robert R. --Western Michigan Gibbs, Jr., Wendell N. --Michigan Gregg, William O. --Eastern Oregon Grew II, J. Clark --Ohio Griswold, Frank --Convocation of American Churches in Europe Gulick, Jr., Edwin F. --Kentucky Howe, Barry R. --West Missouri Ihloff, Robert W. --Maryland Irish, Carolyn T. --Utah Jefferts Schori, Katharine --Nevada Jelinek, James L. --Minnesota Johnson, Robert H. --Western North Carolina Kelsey, James A. -- Northern Michigan Knudsen, Chilton R. --Maine Ladehoff, Robert L. --Oregon Lamb, Jerry A. --Northern California Lee, Peter J. -- Virginia Leidel, Jr., Edwin M. -- Eastern Michigan MacDonald, Mark L. --Alaska Marshall, Paul V. --Bethlehem Maze, Larry E. --Arkansas McKelvey, Jack M. --Rochester Moody, Robert M. --Oklahoma Persell, William D. --Chicago Plummer, Steven T. -- Navajoland Area Mission Powell, F. Neff -- Southwestern Virginia Robertson, Creighton L. -- South Dakota Sauls, Stacy F. --Lexington Scarfe, Alan --Iowa Shahan, Robert R. --Arizona Shand, James J. --Easton Shaw III, SSJE, M. Thomas -- Massachusetts Shimpfky, Richard L. --El Camino Real Sisk, Mark S. --New York Smalley, William E. --Kansas Smith, Andrew D. -- Connecticut Smith, George Wayne -- Missouri Swing, William E. -- California Theuner, Douglas E. --New Hampshire Waggoner, James Edward -- Spokane Walker, Jr., Orris G. --Long Island Warner, Vincent W. --Olympia Waynick, Catherine M. -- Indianapolis Winterrowd, William J. -- Colorado Wolf, Geralyn --Rhode Island Wright, Wayne P. --Delaware

No   Ackerman, Keith L. --Quincy Adams, Jr., James M. -- Western Kansas Allen, Lloyd --Honduras Bane, Jr., David C. -- Southern Virginia Beckwith, Peter H. -- Springfield Daniels, Theodore A. --Virgin Islands Duncan II, Philip M. -- Central Gulf Coast Duncan, Jr., Robert W. -- Pittsburgh Duque-Gomez, Francisco -- Colombia Duracin, Jean --Haiti Fairfield, Andrew H. --North Dakota Folts, James E. --West Texas Gray III, Duncan Montgomery -- Mississippi Henderson, Dorsey --Upper South Carolina Herlong, Bertram N. -- Tennessee Herzog, Daniel W. --Albany Holguin, Julio C. --Dominican Republic Howe, John --Central Florida Hughes, Gethin B. --San Diego Iker, Jack --Fort Worth Jacobus, Russell E. --Fond du Lac Jecko, Stephen H. --Florida Jenkins III, Charles E. -- Louisiana Johnson, Don E. --West Tennessee Kelshaw, Terence --Rio Grande Klusmeyer, W. Michie --West Virginia Krotz, James E. --Nebraska Lai, David Jung-Hsin --Taiwan Lipscomb, John B. --Southwest Florida Little II, Edward S. -- Northern Indiana Louttit, Jr., Henry --Georgia MacPherson, D. Bruce -- Western Louisiana Morante, Alfredo --Ecuador Ohl, Jr., C. Wallis -- Northwest Texas Parsley, Jr., Henry N. -- Alabama Rowley, Jr., Robert D. -- Northwestern Pennsylvania Salmon, Jr., Edward L. -- South Carolina Schofield, John-David M. -- San Joaquin Stanton, James M. --Dallas Thompson, Jr., Herbert -- Southern Ohio vonRosenberg, Charles G. -- East Tennessee Whitmore, Keith B. --Eau Claire Wimberly, Don A. --Texas

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[johnb838]

Convocation of American Churches in Europe (NON US)

There are some dioceses that are outside of the US that are considered part of the Episcopal church, I don't know why. The important thing is that the representative of this area was the diabolical Frank Griswold, also the presiding bishop of the ECUSA, a flaming liberal, and probably the driver of all this shit.

Hey Kids! I know, lets play "Beat the Bishop"!!!!! (Is that hate speech?)

[Zack Nguyen]

How much you want to bet that the "yes" voters are all the pro-abortion ones too?

That would not shock me. Error begets error.

[Elsie]

How about a nice MAP with a red or blue dot on it: kinda like the voting thing last presidential election.......

[utahagen]

I think you're right. How else would you explain UTAH's having a liberal, female bishop?

[utahagen]

Another good point. Perhaps Episcopalians in conservative areas were more likely to have left the ECUSA before today, and Episcopal churches in those areas moved more quickly to the left than Episcopal churches in liberal areas.

[jaybee]

Easton--(Easton, Maryland) The Eastern Shore of Maryland. I thought it included part of Delaware & Virginia's eastern shore too.
(I'm in the diocese of Maryland)

[ChewedGum]

How about a nice MAP with a red or blue dot on it: kinda like the voting thing last presidential election.......

Man alive...tough crowd to please!

Gum

[JohnGalt]

I thought the same thing.

[ChewedGum]

Updated. I believe all the Other category is outside of the United States. Thanks for the help guys!

CHOICE	EAST	CENTRAL	WEST	OTHER
YES	26	22	12	2
NO	14	21	2	9
In Favor	65%	51%	86%	18%

The central is closer to 50% now which is more of what I expected. Interesting thoughts on this thread. (I enjoy statistics!)

Gum

[lady lawyer]

There is one democrat -- A Mormon, and son of a very popular former governor. He represents the part of Salt Lake that is the least Mormon/furthest left. Salt Lake City, itself, is the least conservative past of the state, except Park City, where the hoi polloi from out of state have bought their expensive ski chalets.

Bush got 70+ percent of the vote here. In 1992, Clinton came in third, after Bush I and Perot. It may change someday, but, for now, I think it will stay conservative. For every liberal skier that moves into the state, I suspect there are a couple of conservative Mormons fleeing the madness in California and coming back home to Utah.

[tinamina]

El Camino Real is Central CA, South of San Francisco to about San Luis Obispo. San Juaquin is the Central Valley of CA (San Juaquin Valley). Is NM Rio Grande?

[mtbopfuyn]

Where's Louisiana? I thought it might be Eau Claire but don't know either.

[tinamina]

Quincy could be MA
San Joaquin is the San Joaquin Velley in CA
Eue Claire is Wisconsin
Frank Griswold is the Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA, wo I guess voted representing the Episcopal churches in Europe