'Catholic' Kerry Accuses Pope of "Crossing the Line" With Recent Document on Same-Sex Unions

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[LibertyGirl77]

"That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in this country."

Guess what, jack*ss. The Pope is in Vatican City. That's not in this country. How about a nice cup of "Shut the hell up?"

(I'm VERY cranky this morning.)

[B Knotts]

There is such a thing as a latae sententiae excommunication. However, as far as I know, one does not incur that penalty for merely supporting legal abortion. One must procure an abortion to incur it, and it is incurred automatically.

Perhaps a bishop could actively excommunicate or interdict someone for publicly holding such views; I'm not sure. You would think so, though.

[Bigg Red]

I think it's Dirkhising.

[chimera]

...then Kerry, a supporter of abortion, is in mortal danger for willfully violating an infallible denunciation of abortion from the seat of St Peter.

Catholic politicians who are disobedient to Church teachings are also at an even greater risk because they are leading others astray by their example. Of the "v" and "m" sins, this is The Big One, a serious "m" sin. That Kerry and others (e.g., Teddy Kennedy, Gray Davis, Barbara Mikulski, et al.) are so seemingly cavalier about it indicates to me that they don't take their avowed faith very seriously. IOW, they're hypocrites and liars (but we knew that already, since they're Rats)

[Steve0113]

I believe the track record is that the majority of those who call themselves Catholics vote D.

That's correct only if you include those who never attend Mass or otherwise practice their "faith" in any way.

[BlackElk]

If you should ever wish to become a Catholic, it sounds like you would be a welcome addition. AND, you are already using Latin in your tag line. Thank you for your kind expressions.

Actually, BTW, Kerry has excommunicated himself long since by virtue of his advocacy. We save the more formal rituals for people more important than he. He will soon be forgotten.

[Arthalion]

Who and how is in charge of the Catholic rite of excommunication. Has Kerry strayed far enough from Catholic doctrine and behavior to merit that sanction?

Yes he has. By denying the authority of the Church and declaring that he will "fight" the Pope, he has rendered himself apostate and can be formally excommunicated on those grounds alone.

IIRC, a formal excommunication requires that a bishop (or higher) and ten priests (or higher) damn his soul to Satan and pronounce him seperated from society. We could debate whether or not the ceremony would have any effect on his soul, but it would definitely ensure that no Catholic would ever vote for him again (associating with excommunicated Catholics carries its own penalties).

[johnb838]

self-described Catholic

I like that.

A fuming Kerry,

Dude needs to have his meds checked. He's fuming everytime he comes out of the box. I think he's trying the Gore trope of "I will fight for YOU."

Kerry, who supports civil unions but opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage, [snip] ``This isn't a matter of political calculation, it's simply a matter of strong personal beliefs,''

Ri-ght. This moron needs to be ex-communicated.

[AKA Elena]

"It is important not to have the church instructing politicians,"

I guess it is not important to Catholics at all, to listen to the Holy Father and follow the Laws of Humanity and of the Church.

I am so sick of these hypocrites and cannot imagine the "mental reservation" that they MUST use as their own singular excuse for actual and factual flaunting of God's Laws.

I guess the question is " Who came first, the Person or the politician"?

[dsc]

Thanks. I was spelling it phonetically--wrong.

[fml]

--self-described Catholic,---

Isn't he also a self-described Jew, Irishmen,& Frenchlooking among other things?

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

I might actually have to take a look at that, just because I love that point you just made. Natural Law if you will, is a creation of the almighty. You cannot seperate the Divine from morality, because it is the Divine that made morality. He is the Author of All Things. He has just made known more clearly His Law in the Ten Commandments and in the Bible.

This Catholic will recognize Herman Bacinck's good argument, even if it is from a Reformed Theologian. (sarcasm) God Bless

[LiteKeeper]

Check this out:

Herman Bavinck on Creation

In the Beginning... is the book outlining his ideas. Recent discussions of creation have centered on the skirmishes between "creationists" and "evolutionists." However, as the editor of this volume points out, "there is much more to the Christian doctrine of creation than scientific battles about origins and the age of the earth." To Herman Bavinck, "The doctrine of creation, affirming the distinction between the Creator and his creature, is the starting point of true religion." Though Bavinck's In the Beginning contains relevant treatments of frequently addressed topics, such as evolution, Darwinism, and the age of humanity, it also broadens the theological discussion of creation by exploring other elements of this essential doctrine, including angels and the spiritual world, the image of God in humans, the destiny of creation and humanity, and God's providential care over creation. Herman Bavinck stands as one of history's finest Reformed theologians, yet his writings are only now being made available in English. In the Beginning: Foundations of Creation Theology is the second installment in the Dutch Reformed Translation Society's translation of Bavinck's classic Gereformeerde Dogmatiek (Reformed Dogmatics). The first installment, The Last Things: Hope for This World and the Next, is also available.

The Philosophy of Revelation

[Zack Nguyen]

What is really stunning about Kerry's quote is it's sheer audacity. He assumes, it seems, that the church would have or should have nothing to say to him. Kerry considers himself free, it seems, to make whatever decisions he wants and God can go climb a tree.