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Boy Scout council 'devastated' by United Way cuts -program for inner-city children lost
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Posted on 08/09/2003 8:45:20 PM PDT by chance33_98

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To: scripter
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51 posted on 08/10/2003 7:33:02 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: chance33_98
Its like the 1950's again, but this time there's no Joe McCarthy. The marxist liberals have a free hand to destroy this country.
52 posted on 08/10/2003 7:34:54 AM PDT by ampat
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To: ScrtAccess
Free Republic was never intended to be a liberal debating society. It has a purpose and goals. The long term goal is to promote the cause of conservatism and to work for a return to the constitutionally limited republican form of government as established by our founders. If these are not your goals then I don't want you here. I am defending my first amendment right to freedom of association. I only want to associate myself and FR with people who will work with me to achieve my goals.---Jim Robinson (Owner and founder of FreeRepublic)
53 posted on 08/10/2003 7:43:14 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: templar
Regarding the United Way, a friend's husband works at US Cellular, and last year everyone (who works) in the store was INSTUCTED to donate a certain percentage of their paycheck to United Way. Fortunately I read FR, so I told them what United Way does to the Boy Scouts. As a result, my friend's hubby told all his co-workers about UW's hatred towards the Boy Scouts and why, and all the employees at that stores refused en masse to donate to the UW. It was company policy, so all US Cel employees had to do it. Except at this one store. But you can imagine the money.
54 posted on 08/10/2003 7:46:19 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: ampat
Yes true, but there's Ann Coulter and Michael Savage. Unfortunately the homo agenda has gotten Michael kicked off the air.

There's also Dr. Laura, but they've succeeded in kicking her off the air too.

Both are still on radio, although here in SF, Savage had to go to another radio station, and he's not on in NYC anymore...

The commies hate free speech.
55 posted on 08/10/2003 7:48:22 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (The Homosexual Agenda never sleeps and they are making all of our lives miserable)
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To: ScrtAccess
Now, they want to use property and funds that those groups they exluded help pay for, and now because doors are closing thats a problem?

The crux of the matter is that you are being morally neutral. That stance doesn't really work, because you wind up falling on one side or the other. Same sex acts are not morally neutral, nor are they a benign condition like race or ethnic origin. Engaging in same sex acts is a choice, and it is not a good choice. The Boy Scouts also made a choice - a choice to exclude practicing homosexuals from its ranks. And that is a good choice.

Look what happened in the Catholic Church when they DIDN'T make that choice. So to remain morally neutral on this issue means that you side with the homosexual infiltration of the C. Church and the moral devastation that has followed.

IOW, the Boy Scouts have every right - and indeed, every obligation - to protect boys from the known predator influence of homosexuals, and this should be applauded and supported, not the opposite.

56 posted on 08/10/2003 7:53:54 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Kay Soze
Wasn't it a GA congressman that lost the election last year because he did something like this to the boy scouts? Any GA freepers to enlighten us?

The media wouldn't admit it but that's what happened.

57 posted on 08/10/2003 7:58:56 AM PDT by I still care
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To: ScrtAccess
You must be aware of the many studies showing that at least one third of all molestations are same sex, although homosexuals are roughly 2% of the population. And the "gay culture" is rife with pederastic literature, websites, and clubs. Not only NAMBLA, but the whole concept of adult "mentors" initiating sex with young teenagers is not a hidden current in the "gay lifestyle". Either you know this or you have done absolutely no reading about homosexuality.
58 posted on 08/10/2003 8:00:11 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: chance33_98
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Choice4Truth

59 posted on 08/10/2003 8:01:19 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: watchin
Of course, homosexuals avoid the percentages, and would rather focus on the raw numbers, citing the fact that more heterosexuals than homosexuals are child molesters.

I always wondered about this. If a man has sex with a boy how is he not homosexual (or at least bisexual)? The homos use this as a deflection but a pervert is a pervert, whether they want to admit it or not.

60 posted on 08/10/2003 8:03:29 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Lancey Howard
And the "I-have-to-contribute-or-my-company-will-get-mad" cowards are the worst of all.

I worked as a contractor in a company that was gung ho in the American Way fund raising.They were always shaking their employees down for cash.Those who didn't give were usually pressured into digging deep in their pockets for fear of being ran off.They had a big red thermomiter scale in the security area showing the progress.I shouldn't have to tell you what that thing looked like to me.

61 posted on 08/10/2003 8:05:09 AM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: I still care
It was a GA Senator, Democrat Max Cleland. He voted against an amendment in the No Child Left Behind Act that barred federal funding to goverment schools that denied public access to the Boy Scouts. Republican Saxby Chambliss hammered him over that vote. Chambliss defeated Cleland 53-46, giving the GOP a Senate pick up.
62 posted on 08/10/2003 8:09:48 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: AdamSelene235
Let's sacrifice everything for the fudge packers
63 posted on 08/10/2003 8:10:21 AM PDT by chuckwalla
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To: chance33_98; demkicker; Lancey Howard; GOPJ
Republicans ought to acquire the mailing list of the Boy Scouts, talk to the parents, and have them share petitions with friends to redress the grievances caused by liberal special interest groups. With the rise of Howard Dean, the Democrats are being held captive by extreme left wing groups. We should also use the liberal assault on the Boy Scouts as an albatross to tie around the necks of Democrats.
64 posted on 08/10/2003 8:16:23 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: chance33_98
The Boy Scouts organization which used to teach young men to stand on their own two feet is now complaining that they can't stand on their own two feet?

I beg to differ. They need to rid themselves of the idea that the only way they can survive is by accepting funds from organizations that attach unwanted strings to their "gifts".

Go door to door with your campaign every year. No strings attached, either you support or you don't!

I'll bet the farm people will support.

65 posted on 08/10/2003 8:17:11 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
As far as I am concerned, we should boycott the United Way everywhere not just the areas of the country where they enforce an extreme leftist agenda.

Agree totally.

And while we're about it, if only the FReepers on this thread wrote letters to the corporate sponsors of United Way offering to take their business elsewhere, I believe it would get noticed. Much of the United Way's clout in fund-raising is, after all, owed to the executives companies loan out to the organization for its annual begathon. These folks need to feel the lash of public accountability.

66 posted on 08/10/2003 8:26:11 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: demkicker
Only SEVEN people on this thread want to help financially. I hope I'm wrong. Its easy to give lip service and another to do something about it!
67 posted on 08/10/2003 8:28:20 AM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: pram
...INSTUCTED to donate a certain percentage of their paycheck to United Way.

In 1989 I worked for Amdahl Corp. The company desired a certain United Way award (can't remember what it was called) for reaching X number of employees giving to the United Way, and giving over a certain amount. I too was intructed to donate... or be fired. I asked to be fired but it never happened.

68 posted on 08/10/2003 8:33:50 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: Uncle Meat
Those who didn't give were usually pressured into digging deep in their pockets for fear of being ran off.

Used to be union goons that hit up workers for "contributions" but with fewer unionized employees that doesn't happen so often these days. Just as well.

In too many companies, employees are coerced into checking off a payroll deduction for weekly contributions to things like United Way but given no option to pick and choose their charities. They have to write a check if they wish to donate to the Boy Scouts, for instance.

That is, after they have made their mandatory contribution to the company's favorite charity -- if they can still afford to.

69 posted on 08/10/2003 8:38:05 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: scripter
The United Way has a good extortion racket going on. Even if the local UW chapter cuts its ties to the Boy Scouts, I believe people can still donate to the Scouts through the UW by declaring the Scouts as the beneficiary. However, the UW would take a significant chuck of the donation to cover "administrative fees" for an outside group.
70 posted on 08/10/2003 8:43:18 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: ScrtAccess
The BSA used a particular argument in court to say they are a private organization and can exclude those they don't believe fit thier values. They won.

First - The united way conrtibuted to them before any of this sort of thing came to light. They found them to be a worthwhile cause. The united way changed their rules, the BSA didn't.

Second - People on here have the right, as does UW, to say they no longer feel an organization is worth sending money to for various reasons. The UW changed it's mind, and now many here are.

71 posted on 08/10/2003 8:47:22 AM PDT by chance33_98 (http://home.frognet.net/~thowell/haunt/ ---->our ghosty page)
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To: pram
Congrats, pram. Sometimes just one voice can change so much.
73 posted on 08/10/2003 8:49:27 AM PDT by I still care
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To: Kuksool
the UW would take a significant chunk of the donation to cover "administrative fees" for an outside group.

Yep. I have never understood why folks give to organizations like the United Way. I 'spose it makes it easier in keeping your tax write offs organizied. There's probably benefits that I'm unaware of... Still, I have always given directly to my organizations of choice.

74 posted on 08/10/2003 8:51:07 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: demkicker
Thanks! I appreciate it.
75 posted on 08/10/2003 12:28:10 PM PDT by nmh
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To: demkicker
Do we really want to give money to a BSA council that decided to cave-in on the homosexual agenda just so it could get some money? It seems to me that this council only has a problem with the national BSA who wants the scounts to retain their convictions.
76 posted on 08/10/2003 12:38:24 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: kingu
Another thing I don't see is outrage at the local council for giving into this, or thanks to the National board for putting a stop to it.

That puzzles me also.

77 posted on 08/10/2003 12:42:08 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
Do we really want to give money to a BSA council that decided to cave-in on the homosexual agenda just so it could get some money? It seems to me that this council only has a problem with the national BSA who wants the scounts to retain their convictions.

IMO, the local council needs support now more than ever. Lipson, the board's chairman, sounds like he's a limp wrist who is dying to cave in. If this BSA chapter gets money from outside sources to fund their after school programs, they can tell Lipson and the UW to take a hike.
78 posted on 08/10/2003 6:34:26 PM PDT by demkicker ((I wanna kick some commie butt))
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To: demkicker
Our sons belong to a cub pack which is part of the Cradle of Liberty Council. We were very relieved when our local council backed down after being challenged by the national level BSA leadership on the anti-discrimination issue. It threatened to tear our pack apart, and there was already discussion underway about whether we would have an unaffiliated pack rather than belong to the COL council under these terms.

The Cradle of Liberty Council serves both urban and suburban youth. It was formed when the suburban Valley Forge Council was merged with the urban Philadelphia Council. The needs and resources of the youngsters vary considerably within the tri-county area served by our council. This funding loss has the potential to affect a large number of youngsters. Our council serves over 80,000 scouts.

I checked the website to see where contributions could best be sent, for those who would like to support our council. The site is undergoing renovation, and it isn't entirely clear which of the two main addresses is most appropriate for donations. I will provide the Valley Forge address, since I've frequently dealt with the people there, and have confidence that they could re-direct any correspondence if necessary:

Cradle of Liberty Council, BSA
Roger S. Firestone
Scouting Resource Center,
1485 Valley Forge Rd
Wayne, PA 19087
(610) 688 6900

The website for the COL council is http://www.colbsa.org/

We receive appeals for donations from the council periodically. I expect that we'll start hearing more urgent appeals now. Any Freeper support would be very helpful to keeping this council going, and would be greatly appreciated by the leaders and the youngsters.

79 posted on 08/10/2003 7:48:22 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die
BTTT
80 posted on 08/10/2003 8:51:49 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Think free or die
Morning bump...

Thanks for the info.
81 posted on 08/11/2003 4:18:57 AM PDT by demkicker ((I wanna kick some commie butt))
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To: demkicker; chance33_98
You can give to the BSA on-line at www.give2bsa.org. Or, you can go here, enter in your Zip code to see where your local Council is, and give to them directly. Either way, your donation will go to your local Council.

Finally, you could call your local Council and ask where in your particular area there is a Boy Scout Troop, Cub Scout Pack, or Venture Crew. You could give them money, or goods, or services. You could even give them your time and expertise, which they need more than money, I can assure you.

82 posted on 08/11/2003 9:38:34 AM PDT by RonF
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To: chance33_98
The United Way in San Diego pulled this crap. The school PTA organizations followed suit. In response, I have torn up the United Way envelopes every year and I write a check to "Friends of Scouting" to provide direct funding.

United Way felt the sting as others followed my example. The donation forms and procedures were changed to allow specification of exactly the organization that is supposed to receive your donation. I still don't trust United Way. I still rip and write.

83 posted on 08/11/2003 9:45:35 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ScrtAccess
Now, they want to use property and funds that those groups they exluded help pay for, and now because doors are closing thats a problem?

Do you want to play that game? Fine. Let's defund all the special items that cater to gay/lesbian/bisexual/transexual organizations and people. It comes out my taxes and I object.

84 posted on 08/11/2003 9:50:16 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: demkicker
YES, PLEASE. I'm willing to give. Let's do it!!!
85 posted on 08/11/2003 9:52:05 AM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: diamond6
No, there are a LOT of us out there. My son is out of the Scouts (for now, focusing on church activities), but that didn't stop us from donated earlier this year.

And we'll continue to support the scouts in every way.


It terrifies me that SCOTUS groped its way to a conclusion that freedom of association is a basic right by a squeaky-thin 5-4 majority.

86 posted on 08/11/2003 10:22:34 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: ScrtAccess
Now, they want to use property and funds that those groups they exluded help pay for, and now because doors are closing thats a problem?

The property was a gift to the city. The city didn't pay for it. The funds are going from the BSA to the city, not the other way around, to the tune of millions of dollars in the past in capital improvements and maintenance and staffing expense, and another $1.7 million now being put into the property that other organizations as well as the BSA use. Now the city wants to take that, apparently without compensation.

87 posted on 08/11/2003 11:18:59 AM PDT by RonF
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To: ScrtAccess
Just because they are gay does not mean they are pedophiles.

Which is why the BSA does not ban homosexuals on the basis of a fear of pedophilia. They ban homosexuals who make an open declaration of their sexual preference because the majority of their sponsoring organizations believe homosexuality to be immoral, and that avowed homosexuals thus give a poor moral example to the youth.

88 posted on 08/11/2003 11:22:09 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Kuksool
Republicans ought to acquire the mailing list of the Boy Scouts ...

The BSA mailing lists are not available to anyone. For any money. And it's been offered, believe me, especially by the outdoor equipment manufacturers, etc. Also, it is against BSA policy for their members to engage in political activities while in uniform or otherwise representing the BSA.

89 posted on 08/11/2003 11:28:48 AM PDT by RonF
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To: rmh47
The fact that the Phillidelphia UW chooses not to contribute to the local BSA does not mean that other United Way organizations in other cities do the same.

The last time I checked, the UW in my city still supported our local BSA chapter.

By giving to any UW chapter you are supporting the homosexual agenda. Every chapter gives a small percentage to the national org which uses that money to raise funds for several homosexual organizations.

So the end result is that UW taxes your contribution to the BSA in order to fundraise for perversion. You are far better off praying for the end of the UW and donating directly to the charity of your choice. (BSA or some other Godly charity)

90 posted on 08/12/2003 7:15:01 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Clint N. Suhks
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91 posted on 08/16/2003 4:36:28 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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