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Increasing export of white-collar jobs is cause for concern
USA Today ^ | 08-10-03

Posted on 08/10/2003 8:46:07 AM PDT by Brian S



SUNDAY August 10, 2003

Increasing export of white-collar jobs is cause for concern


By Michelle Kessler and Stephanie Armour
USA Today


    White-collar employees have long believed their jobs were safe from the economic forces that have shifted millions of factory jobs to foreign countries in the past 30 years.

    Not anymore.

    It's not just clothing and electronics being made by workers in India and China and similar places. Now, it's office and professional jobs that are being shipped out -- raising the specter that skilled white-collar workers could face the same devastating job losses that decimated the manufacturing industry.

    Already call-center jobs have been affected, including jobs in Utah. Convergys Corp. a week ago confirmed plans to move at least 100 technical support jobs at its Taylorsville call center to an overseas center.

    Almost any professional job that can be done long-distance is suddenly up for grabs. Jobs done by financial analysts, architectural drafters, telemarketers, accountants, claims adjusters, home loan processors and others at higher levels of the labor food chain are being farmed out to workers in other countries.

    "We're not just talking about call-center jobs, but all kinds of jobs," says Deloitte Consulting analyst Christopher Gentle. "It doesn't leave any part of the corporation untouched."

    These include high-paying, highly sought-after jobs that often require advanced degrees and years of study to attain. But instead of paying six-figure salaries to trained workers in America, more companies are shelling out $10,000 to $20,000 to get cheaper employees an ocean away.

    Major U.S. companies, including such giants as IBM, Microsoft and Procter & Gamble, are leading the pack. Tens of thousands of jobs already have been shipped out, and analysts project that millions more will go -- just as the fragile economy attempts a rebound.

    Employers say outsourcing jobs to foreign countries makes them more competitive because they can reap enormous savings in labor costs. They argue that most of the jobs now going overseas are positions many Americans snub, such as telemarketing. Farming out that work leaves better, higher-paying jobs for American employees to do.

    The trend represents a potential seismic shift: In the next 15 years, American employers will move about 3.3 million white-collar jobs and $136 billion in wages overseas, according to Forrester Research. That's up from $4 billion in wages in 2000.

    Financial services companies alone plan to move more than 500,000 jobs offshore in the next five years, says consulting firm A.T. Kearney. Deloitte Consulting expects 2 million jobs worldwide to eventually move to countries such as India.

    To labor unions, the farming out of white-collars jobs is more than just another way for businesses to cut costs. They say the trend has the potential to plunder American jobs, prolong the weak labor conditions that have characterized this jobless economic recovery and pose a long-term danger to the employment security long enjoyed by white-collar workers. It's the first threat of its kind, and critics now are trying to mount an offensive.

    "We see it as a threat to America's middle-class work force, in terms of wages and benefits," says Marcus Courtney, president of Washington Alliance of Technology Workers in Seattle. "The service sector is not immune to the forces of globalization. We're talking about highly skilled, best-paying jobs. It's raising the concern of workers."

    The Communications Workers of America this spring began pressing Congress to authorize an investigation into the growing number of jobs being shifted overseas. High-tech workers have handed out leaflets and held demonstrations protesting the trend in states such as Texas, Washington, Massachusetts and New York. Critics are pushing for legislation that would halt projects from being sent overseas if they're funded by tax dollars. Others want tax incentives to help keep business on U.S. soil.

    The worry: Increasing profit pressures and the ease of information exchange provided by the Internet will turn the wave of companies shipping out work into a tsunami -- potentially having an impact on every sector of the white-collar labor force.

    Among concerns:

    * Benefits and pay: Secure in the knowledge that they can get cheaper workers overseas, American companies might begin slashing benefits here, critics say. Even U.S. workers who get jobs could see wages slashed because of the competition posed by their counterparts overseas, they say. Companies have already been curbing benefits as labor costs -- driven largely by health care costs -- escalate.

    Pay has also suffered as companies cut back on raises in a sluggish economy. As more companies start tapping overseas workers, critics say American workers will lose the last vestiges of their bargaining power.

    At 123jump.com, a Miami Beach-provider of investment advice, the company's 32 financial analysts live in India, Bulgaria and Argentina, earning $15,000 to $20,000 a year.

    CEO Manish Shah says he could shell out $150,000 or more to hire analysts here. But why? His analysts usually have MBAs and speak fluent English.

    "Can we stop [globalization]? No," Shah says. "We go to the cheapest possible cost with the best possible product."

    * Loss of American jobs: Labor unions and consultants fear a repeat of what happened to the manufacturing sector, which has lost more than 2.6 million jobs in the past three years.

    The scope and type of jobs being farmed out show how vulnerable many professional positions are. J.P. Morgan Chase expects to have 40 research analysts in Mumbai (formerly called Bombay) by year's end. Deloitte Consulting has about 1,000 employees in Hyderabad and Mumbai, many handling research work. A.T. Kearney uses workers in New Delhi to for research and office support.

    IBM has expanded offices in Bangalore, India, to handle engineering work, and is reportedly considering a big off shoring push. Hewlett-Packard has 5,000 employees in India, doing research, developing software and staffing call centers.

    * An unstoppable force: While the overall percentage of jobs being farmed out to overseas workers is still small, the advantages to U.S. companies are so attractive that labor unions fear any congressional efforts to curtail the practice will be doomed.

    Already, major companies are able to work around the clock because of their overseas presence. Oracle has two big development centers in India, and 4,000 employees will be stationed there by the end of the year. Programmers there pick up projects when their American counterparts leave for the day, and vice versa. That way, Oracle is working 24 hours a day.

    The numbers are continuing to swell. Consulting firm Brulant recently surveyed 38 large companies about their outsourcing plans. While only 18 percent were seriously considering outsourcing, "100 percent of them were evaluating it," says CEO Len Pagon Jr.

    If outsourcing takes off, it's unlikely to stop, experts say.

    "The jobs aren't coming back, that's for sure," says Forrester Research analyst John McCarthy.

    While the trend has been under way for years, only now -- as the pace of outsourcing picks up and new projections show its use continuing to grow -- is debate about the practice increasing. One reason for the attention is the recent economic doldrums. With unemployment at 6.2 percent in July, more white-collar professionals are becoming anxious about job security. While many have been shaken by layoffs, workers' new concern that jobs could be lost permanently to other countries is sounding an alarm.

    Says Josh Bivens, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute in Washington: "This will cause more churning and concern higher up the professional food chain. Blue-collar workers have been used to this for years."

    Since the first migration of white-collar work involved technology jobs, other employees in professional jobs thought they were immune. Now, office jobs many thought could never be done overseas are being farmed out.

    Workers in India hired to handle telemarketing, for example, assume an American name and take cultural training in U.S. customs.

    "In India, it's a very respectable job," says Chaitra Aiyar, 23, who works at Cellbion, a call center near Mumbai. She goes by the American name Cindy Newman when making calls.

    Workers who have never set foot in an American office are handling such sensitive areas as payroll and benefits. Procter & Gamble handles payroll, travel, benefits, accounts payable, invoice processing and other work at offices in San Jose, Costa Rica; Manila; and Newcastle, United Kingdom. About 7,000 people work in these offices, which opened in 1999.

    "There are real security risks," says John Guinasso at Data Systems Security in San Jose, Calif. "Corporations here don't have control over who has access to information once it gets out of their hands. There are real concerns."

    Are the fears real?

    Is all the hand wringing overblown? Labor groups say no, but companies and some analysts argue that shipping white-collar jobs overseas is hardly a menace to American jobs.

    "The recession is making all sorts of people insecure. I don't see this as a huge threat to the U.S. economy," Bivens says.

    Since labor and land in countries such as India can be cheap, the cost savings can be "extraordinary," says A.T. Kearney Vice President Andrea Bierce. An MBA with three years experience in India will make about $12,000 a year, compared with $100,000 in the USA, she says. A programmer will make $5,000, compared with $60,000 in the USA, she says.

    "There are an awful lot of companies thinking about this," Bierce says.

    But it's the fact that overseas workers are so cheap that has detractors crying foul.

    It even gnaws at some employers. David Stixrood, president of Dallas-based Corp-Wireless, which provides broadband wireless connectively to the Internet in truck stops, opted not to use an overseas help desk -- even though it was cheaper -- partly because he's concerned about what outsourcing will do to American jobs.

    "We're going to lose all those jobs," Stixrood says. "Unfortunately, we live in a very competitive world and sometimes competition is very cruel."



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1 posted on 08/10/2003 8:46:08 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
The more I read articles like this, the more I get the impression I'm living in Zimbabwe.
2 posted on 08/10/2003 8:51:55 AM PDT by Agnes Heep
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To: Brian S
If Microsoft is on the list, it is disappointing. Everyday Americans from every part of society have supported MS by buying Billions of dollars of MS software.

Ethically, they should support American workers, IMO.
3 posted on 08/10/2003 8:56:09 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Saturday is my 'expose leftists day'. Deal with it.)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Microsoft has worldwide sales. There are many more users of MS software outside the cointry than inside.

The article quoted Forrester research as saying 3.3 million jobs would be shifted overseas in the next 15 years. That's 220,000 per year. Big deal.

I'm not ready to push the panic button just yet.
4 posted on 08/10/2003 9:01:54 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: harpseal
Three Cheers for David Stixrood, president of Dallas-based Corp-Wireless!! He will not offshore jobs because he is concerned about America (last paragraph of article).
5 posted on 08/10/2003 9:02:04 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Brian S
Meanwhile these "American" Companies enjoy the military security provided by the American people, and unfettered access to their wallets...
6 posted on 08/10/2003 9:02:52 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: Brian S
More class-envy in disguise. Y'know, a job is something you earn, not something that your fellow Americans owe you.
7 posted on 08/10/2003 9:05:46 AM PDT by CanadianFella
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To: Agnes Heep
A programmer will make $5,000, compared with $60,000 in the USA, she says.

Lessee... that's about $100 a week - or $2.50 per hour (assuming a 40hr week).

I guess my student loans will have to stay defaulted.

8 posted on 08/10/2003 9:05:56 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: CanadianFella
F-off

If a company is going to reap the bennies of operating in the "generally lawful" confines of the US, they damn sure owe something to the taxpayers who protect their wealth.

9 posted on 08/10/2003 9:07:29 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: StatesEnemy
Exactly!

Any company that offshores is as foreign (and in some cases Communist) as its employees.

The safe haven of America that produced these companies should be yanked out from under them. They deserve nothing American.
10 posted on 08/10/2003 9:07:55 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Personally, I think Boeing should build it's next wide body airplane in Inida. It will lower the capital acquisition cost for the Air Force to purchase an RC-777.

Hell, maybe we should build nuclear carriers in India as well. We can buy three for the price of one.

11 posted on 08/10/2003 9:11:51 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (The great chickenhawk returned on Friday!)
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To: StatesEnemy
Has anyone ever suggested not patronizing the companies that do this offshoring? Is there a list of companies that do this? Just wondering - I am all for free trade, but am also all for informed consumers making choices that are best for them.
12 posted on 08/10/2003 9:16:42 AM PDT by fortaydoos
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To: fortaydoos
Good question...

I would be extremely interested in such a list.

13 posted on 08/10/2003 9:18:41 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: Brian S
Jobs done by financial analysts, architectural drafters, telemarketers, accountants, claims adjusters, home loan processors and others at higher levels of the labor food chain are being farmed out to workers in other countries.

Hmmmm...I have an interview for a claims adjusting job tomorrow. I don't see how a job like that can be outsourced, since there has to be some up-close investigation performed. Unless they are referring to medical claims, which would not be the case.

14 posted on 08/10/2003 9:23:14 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Wondering if we can swap Washington D.C. for the province of Alberta.)
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To: StatesEnemy
If a company is going to reap the bennies of operating in the "generally lawful" confines of the US, they damn sure owe something to the taxpayers who protect their wealth.

more socialist rhetoric on "Free" Republic. Nobody owes anyone anything, protection of property is a right not a privilege that you pay for.

15 posted on 08/10/2003 9:24:12 AM PDT by CanadianFella
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To: Brian S
I work for a company that is in the middle of doing this. I have just a few things to say.

When are they going to be sending the CEO and the rest of the leadership "team" over to India? Certianly if they go from 60K to 12K for a programmer, wouldn't the savings from 10 mil to 2 mil help the bottom line?

As for the bit about speaking english, I have yet to find one that speaks comprehendable english. I often end up conversing via email since I cannot understand them on the phone.

As for the programming skills, they can program like a robot. The problem is we need to keep a pile of folks here stateside to correct their programming. They do not seem to understand creativity yet.

One more thing. The reason they are so cheap is because companies do not have to pay for all the stupid liberal policies over there. No diversity. No OSHA. No ADA. No social security. No workman's comp. No environmentalism. No unions. If they had to pay for all those things, then that programmer would cost 60K over there, too.

We must get rid of the rats if we want to stay competitive.

16 posted on 08/10/2003 9:26:06 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: CanadianFella
More class-envy in disguise. Y'know, a job is something you earn, not something that your fellow Americans owe you.

Really? I would suggest that in a democracy where every adult can vote, it might be wise to do everything possible to make sure that there are plenty of jobs to go around. Because if there aren't, the unemployed will simply vote to tax your earnings away from you.

17 posted on 08/10/2003 9:26:49 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: StatesEnemy
Check the jobs posted on monster.com in india. They pay about 1/2 of American wages, not 1/10th.
18 posted on 08/10/2003 9:27:26 AM PDT by Barry Goldwater (Give often and generously to the Bush campaign)
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To: Brian S
even tho i am not for tax hikes, i do think it is ok to tax "american companies" extra which export us jobs overseas - say india..

think about it...these companies shift the high paying jobs overseas, reduce the economic vitality o the united states and they should pay up for that...if a company saves 30 million bucks a yr by shifting jobs overseas, that 30 million dollar benefit "must" be taxed extra in a windfall tax scheme - say 40% tax rate..

i am sicking tired to have my dell support answered by some hindis or pakis..or the new jersey state income tax questions answered by someone in ireland or have my questions of peanut allergies answered by some malays thru the p&g support line..

time for america to wake up...
19 posted on 08/10/2003 9:41:46 AM PDT by FRgal4u
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To: Brian S
"Tens of thousands of jobs already have been shipped out, and analysts project that millions more will go -- just as the fragile economy attempts a rebound. "

The flow goes both ways, with the US draining the world's brightest to work here, we export more, stay competitive and provide jobs.

Americans are fatter and more care free than any people of any time. Our "unemployed poor" are richer than 90% of the world today, But there will be some here who claim to align with conservatives, but want to micro manage our ability to trade with someone overseas, calling for another inevitably corrupt bureaucracy to protect us.

20 posted on 08/10/2003 9:52:35 AM PDT by elfman2
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