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To: XBob
I merely repeat the beliefs of the many 'theists' I have met who have so many diverse opinions, ...

Why? Nothing of your own to believe in nothing of your own to say?

59 posted on 08/14/2003 4:56:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: TigersEye; .30Carbine; MHGinTN
You wrote, quoting me:

If there is an all powerful God/creator, Is there or isn't there? You brought "God/creator" and your host of other deities into this.

It's not my host of dieties, it is all those other people, like .30Carbine for example, who believes in demons. I can find neither proof of God nor disproof of God, so, I am an agnositic.

There is one thing about this game called 'life', you can't get out of it alive. What point are you making? That life is valueless?

Actually, now that you mention it, exactly the opposite, as most of those who argue that, seem to argue that a life is worthless. All those who say that a fertilized egg has the same value as human baby (already born) or even a child or full grown adult, are arguing that there is no intrinsic value to all accomplishments after the sperm enters the egg. When everything is of equal value, there is no point to doing anything. - MHGinTN believes that a fertilized egg is worth the same as a fully grown, and accomplished adult, therefore, a person's life experiences, and accomplishments add nothing to the value of the sperm and egg. So, therefore, a 'life' is essentially worthless. Remember, there can be no light, without darkness to compare it to.

If there is an all powerful God/creator, he is also a destroyer,< Stupid logic. GM builds cars, cars wear out and break down, therefore GM destroys cars. Moron.

Now, there you go, doing exactly what the author of the article is accusing pro-abortionists of doing, using loaded words and insults. As far as being a moron, I think you are pretty ignorant if you think that GM doesn't design cars to fail, therefore destroying cars. About 30 years ago Porche designed a prototype car, which basically wouldn't wear out. It cost about 5 times as much to build as a regular Porche, and would basically, with reasonable care, last forever. They decided not to build it for production, as it was a good way not to sell new Porches, and make more money. And in a similar time frame, when the average person traded their car about 3.2 years after putting on a new Muffler, Midas designed 'Lifetime' mufflers to last 3.6 years. Of course GM designs cars to fail. How else could they sell new, replacement cars

... who kills 100% of the people he created.?? I don't like your God/creator. If he destroys life then f#ck him.

You must criticize your 'friends' and fellow 'deists' here, not me. That is why they dreamed up 'life everlasting', and 'ever lasting soul', because it is very apparent, people always die, so if 'God' is all powerful, they must give their God an 'out', and so they invented the 'ever lasting soul'. Interestingly enough, I was listening to woman on the radio tonight, expound on how Jesus, was a living physical body, (specifically not a spirit, but a 'body' - 'corporeal') and had a body, and was living somewhere up in space called the 'third level of heaven', or something similar. That he was not a spirit, but a physical body.

62 posted on 08/15/2003 3:01:30 AM PDT by XBob
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To: TigersEye
59 - "Why? Nothing of your own to believe in nothing of your own to say?"

Actually, yes, I do. I studied this problem of 'God', the universe, and a creator, and could not answer the questions:

1. If the universe had to have a creator, and that Creator was 'God', then who created the 'Creator'? And if 'he always was, and always shall be, then why could not the universe 'always be and always shall be'.

2. Where are we? - On earth, in the solar system, in the Milky Way Galaxy, in the Universe, and just where is the universe?

So, I figure that if there is a God, at least a God I would believe in, he would understand my questions. And if there is an afterlife, he would rather have an 'Honest' agnostic, rather than a hyocritical believer.

I am happy for 'believers' that they 'believe', as I know that 'believing' gives a lot of psyhological comfort. Life is much easier when you 'know'. But it is much harder on those who you try to force your beliefs. Just look at all the Muslim 'believers', who basically say - 'believe my way or I will kill you'. And the Spanish conquistadors, who poured molton gold down the throats of the Aztecs, to 'save' them, and make them 'Christian'.
64 posted on 08/15/2003 3:16:14 AM PDT by XBob
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