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Visa program robs U.S. technology workers of jobs, dignity
AP ^ | August 11, 2003 | Rachel Konrad

Posted on 08/11/2003 1:38:15 AM PDT by sarcasm

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:06:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN JOSE, Calif. Scott Kirwin clung to his computer programming job, but it was tough for him to relish his final assignment: training a group of workers from India who would replace him within a year.

"They called it 'knowledge acquisition,'" the Wilmington, Del., resident said. "We got paid our normal salaries to train people to do our jobs. The market was so bad we couldn't really do anything about it, so we taught our replacements."


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: l1

1 posted on 08/11/2003 1:38:16 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: harpseal
ping
2 posted on 08/11/2003 1:39:08 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: sarcasm
I don't know what these guys are worried about, let'm go get a job at McDonald's like everybody else. /sarcasm
3 posted on 08/11/2003 1:56:04 AM PDT by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: agitator
We should all just quit whining and start our own companies...or go back to school...again...or learn a new trade...again...
4 posted on 08/11/2003 2:47:59 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Seems like you have something against downward-mobility.
5 posted on 08/11/2003 2:55:07 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: sarcasm
Ms Dundas is lying through her teeth.
6 posted on 08/11/2003 3:09:03 AM PDT by kms61
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To: sarcasm
I have heard Rush Limbaugh ridiculing outsourcing, but to me, this is not the same as the recession in the 80's. This is an entirely different problem...
7 posted on 08/11/2003 3:20:16 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: sarcasm
I wonder how many college students are changing their majors away from "computer science"? Those who see the handwriting on the wall certainly will.
8 posted on 08/11/2003 4:33:06 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: sarcasm; clamper1797; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; Caipirabob; Paul Ross; ...
ping

on or off let me know
9 posted on 08/11/2003 4:50:11 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sarcasm
>>Tech bellwethers including IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Cisco Systems, Oracle and Microsoft use L-1 workers but won't disclose how many they import.

This information should be publicly available from the INS.
10 posted on 08/11/2003 5:07:38 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: tkathy
Outsourcing per se is not necessarily a bad thing as long as the work stays within the USA. For eexample Company A hires company B to provide janatorial services for its building. Now offshore outsourcing is a totally different animal in that the jobs move offshore.
11 posted on 08/11/2003 5:13:07 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: tkathy
By the way this is an entirely different problem brought on by Clinton policies continued by GWB's administration.
12 posted on 08/11/2003 5:14:28 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sarcasm
I am compiling a list of truck driving schools today, this afternoon after physical therapy...(sigh)
13 posted on 08/11/2003 5:17:03 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: OldPossum
At a local 2 year school, they told me they didnt place a single person from their IT courses in the last 2 years.

They also told me that all the people hired for Y2K for the insurance companies were let go...by June 2000...and most havent been heard from since...
14 posted on 08/11/2003 5:19:14 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: sarcasm; William McKinley
Ping.
15 posted on 08/11/2003 6:16:23 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: tkathy
I agree, this is not like earlier recessions.
This offshoring of American jobs and the hiring of a million foreign guest workers in white collar professions, is unprecedented. Add the millions of illegals that have and are pouring over the Mexican border taking jobs from the bottom rungs and there are simply not near enough jobs for American citizens.

""They called it 'knowledge acquisition,' " the Wilmington, Del., resident said. "We got paid our normal salaries to train people to do our jobs. The market was so bad we couldn't really do anything about it, so we taught our replacements."
Laid off from a large investment bank in April, Mr. Kirwin, 36, sent out 225 resumes before landing a temporary position without benefits at a smaller bank and swallowing a 20 percent pay cut."

He's lucky and he has no health benefits. If one party convinces him that they will generate jobs with health benefits, chances are he will vote for that party. And, there are millions of unemployed and underemployed Americans.
16 posted on 08/11/2003 6:54:01 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: RaceBannon
You won't be driving z truck for long: part of NAFTA Part II is to allow Mexican truck drivers free access to all U.S. highways, without special visas. Think of another line of work to go into...and NAFTA will have that covered, too. (I understand that over 400 "occupation catagories" are covered, allowing what they call "international contributions", which means Mexicans taking your job. The list is on the Web somewhere, I'm certain.) This was all public information revealed while you were more worried about football scores rather than reality.
17 posted on 08/11/2003 7:44:03 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: RaceBannon
"z" truck. What the hey? Must be my 1/4 French blood coming out.
18 posted on 08/11/2003 7:44:39 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Frankly, for my family, it would be a no-brainer. The choice is get raped by Party #1 who will give my family health benefits, or get raped by Party #2 who will not. Duh!
19 posted on 08/11/2003 7:46:23 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: sarcasm
How many of you know who this has happened to? It happened to me June 1st. My company SAIC who supports BP's legacy systems just outsourced the legacy systems support to Satyam in India. We all had to train the Indian replacements, they traveled to LA and learned from us. The whole process was degrading. We all knew that shortly after we trained them our jobs would be lost. We didn't get anything but a nice little lunch. No big thank you's from the project managers (other than my immediate manager), no nothing. No extra incentive pay, no nothing. It was very demeaning especially after working for a company for 17 years and being a stellar employee.

I have to say, looking for a job is not exciting and I have received NO responses from my job searching this far. I've decided that I want to retrain in another field, but finding out what I would like to do is hard and the unemployement office does not make it easy when it comes to consulting with one on the possibilities.

The good news is ever since the weekend after I got laid off, my husband has received very exciting contacts for his band. He is the singer of a Christian hard rock band and the week after my layoff found out that he will be meeting with a major Christian record label in September...he just last week was nominated for Best Male Vocalist for the 2003 LA Music Awards show that will be held in November. I guess I should retrain in entertainment management. As a matter of fact I have been the one that has gotten them all of these contacts...huuummmmm does anyone think that singers are going to be offshored to India?? Sorry for the book, but reading these pings about offshoring every morning before I look for jobs is theraputic.

20 posted on 08/11/2003 9:01:51 AM PDT by MelBelle
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To: warchild9
I was never worried about football scores! Where did that come from?? :)
21 posted on 08/11/2003 9:59:58 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: OldPossum
Twenty years ago I encouraged young people to learn about electronics and computers. Now I urge them to forget all about electronics and computers, and learn plumbing or electrical (electrician) skills instead. Or HVAC or refrigeration or something along those lines. Forget hi-tech. It's gone and it ain't coming back. Any American who intends to go into hi-tech for a career is due for a very rude awakening.

I sure am grateful to my government for using tools like OPIC and H1-B and L1-B and all of those other wonderful policies/programs/laws/etc. to destroy my livelihood. Thanks Uncle Sam! Really appreciate it!
22 posted on 08/11/2003 10:04:56 AM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (Formerly Billy_bob_bob)
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To: RaceBannon
I was speaking figuratively and collectively. I apologize for the confusion. I should have said "While most everyone was worried about football and basketball scores."
23 posted on 08/11/2003 11:25:17 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: MelBelle
huuummmmm does anyone think that singers are going to be offshored to India??

They will likely try. But public acceptance...which would be iffy today even....would likely collapse as the out-sourcing economic train-wreck begins to be so massive that we finally hit Great Depression unemployment levels. They will likely palm these cheap contract singers off as American immigrants...all the while they record their songs and videos in Malaysia and India...

24 posted on 08/11/2003 12:28:47 PM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: Paul Ross
People need to internalize that the Rats are just about to intercept this and run it back for 6.

GOP, get a grip on this now: if we lose to another 'it's the unemployment, stupid' I'm moving to the American Samoa.

25 posted on 08/11/2003 12:52:23 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: sarcasm
This article was published in the Winston-Salem Journal today and is now hanging on a bulletin board in the kitchen where I work (I didn't put it there.) We are in discussions with Covansys about 'back-filling' some maintenance jobs on a legacy mainframe system and people around here are nervous about it. I'm wondering how long the article will be allowed to remain on the bulletin board.
26 posted on 08/20/2003 7:20:49 AM PDT by mommybain (not Walmart greeter material)
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To: sarcasm
Free trade bump.
27 posted on 08/22/2003 8:03:43 PM PDT by waterstraat
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