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To: DugwayDuke
The Japanese are totally happy to let us make the geopolitical decisions. All they ask is to get rich within the Pax Americana.

China, the two characters that spell China, mean "The Center of the World". That is how they see their rightful place. They mean to become a military/economic superpower just like the United States. They mean to make the geopolitical decisions.

You seem incapable of understanding the difference.
285 posted on 08/12/2003 12:32:42 PM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: Tokhtamish
While amusing, it's embarassing having you on this forum. You seem incapable of being accurate or polite. You said:

"China, the two characters that spell China, mean 'The Center of the World'."

Really, I've heard that before. But I believe that the actual history (vs. your histrionics) is more complex. The word "China" is simply an anglicized version of an old Chinese name of an ancient province. Check it out:

http://www-chaos.umd.edu/history/imperial.html#first

"Much of what came to constitute China Proper was unified for the first time in 221 B.C. In that year the western frontier state of Qin, the most aggressive of the Warring States, subjugated the last of its rival states. (Qin in Wade-Giles romanization is Ch'in, from which the English China probably derived.)"

http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/chinhist.html

"After nearly 900 years, the Chou Dynasty came to an end when the state of Ch'in, the strongest of the seven surviving states, unified China and established the first empire in 221 BC. The Ch'in empire did not last long, but it left two enduring legacies: the name China and the idea and structure of the empire. This heritage outlasted the Ch'in Dynasty itself by more than 2,000 years. (See Ch'in Dynasty)"

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CHEMPIRE/CHEMPIRE.HTM

"In Chinese history, the Ch'in are the great, evil dynasty, but Western historians often stand in awe of the Ch'in. They were repressive, autocratic, and frequently cruel, but they were also brilliant political theorists and reformers who historically brought about one of the most energetic periods of Chinese government. Their story, however, is a very brief one. For from the time the Ch'in unified China in 221 BC, to the time of their fall fifteen years later in 206 BC, not even a generation had passed. For all that, so massive was their accomplishment that our name for China is derived from the Ch'in."

If you can post something credible supporting your claim, please feel free to do so.

But, I don't care if some third rate country thinks that it's ancient name might mean something about being the center of the world. I'm sorry you're so scared of them.

And if you actually read the history, you discover the people who created the name 'Qin,' or Ch'in,' didn't last very long. Why don't you think a similar situation of internal struggle will occur again? Are you part of the 'Defeat America First' crowd that panicked about the Japanese and Saudis 'buying' America in the 1980s?

And you don't think Japan had imperial ambitions in the 1930s? When was the rape of Nanking? What country was expanding and conquering SE Asia in the 1930s and 1940s? Do you remember Pearl Harbor?

At least your consistent. You're as accurate and credible as your pal Al Gore.

303 posted on 08/12/2003 1:48:36 PM PDT by Gothmog
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To: Tokhtamish
I'm perfectly capable of understanding these differences.

If you'd been following my comments you would have noted that I'm against tariffs that raise the cost of doing business and consumer prices in the cause of saving jobs.

Even if you embargo all trade with China, those in favor of protective tariffs would still be clamoring for protective tariffs with India, Mexico, Chile and any other country with lower wage rates. Consequently, China is a red-herring and irrelevent.
308 posted on 08/12/2003 2:18:35 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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