Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Time For Howie To Fess Up – Is Dean An Abortionist?
PipeLineNews.org ^ | August, 11, 2003 | William A. Mayer, Publisher - PipeLineNews

Posted on 08/12/2003 11:08:06 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic

Time For Howie To Fess Up – Is Dean An Abortionist?

By William A. Mayer, Publisher - PipeLineNews.org

Howard Dean is a Park Avenue, left-wing Democrat whose claim to fame is having been in the right place [Lt. Governor] when the Republican Governor [Richard Snelling] of Vermont died of a heart attack in 1991.

Dean was born, raised and educated in New York.

Vermont – the “Ben & Jerry” state - is a strange place; arguably the most liberal state in the union. Many of its half-million residents come from either New York or Massachusetts - ”flatlanders” – tugging it ever further left.

That’s correct, you read it right; a half-million residents - much smaller than innumerable moderate sized cities in America.

The reality is that it’s a tiny little enclave holding little sway in the national political scheme [the entire state budget is considerably smaller than that of - let's say - the city of San Jose, California] except for the fact that in this run-up to primary season - in the Democrat party - the farther left and more anti-Bush you are, the more you are taken to the party’s radical bosom.

Forget most everything you read about Dean in the main stream press; it reflects nothing so much as a sanitizing operation that makes the cleanup at ground zero in New York pale by comparison.

Also forget that “fiscally conservative” load of horse excrement that Dean is always touting – the “penny-pinching MD” raised Vermont’s spending 48% from 1997-2000, from 1.6 billion to 2.44 billion.

Dean left Vermont’s fiscal process in shambles and hemorrhaging.

But that is par for the course among the Democrat leadership, trade on your ultra-left bona fides to similarly disposed party activists in order to secure the nomination, and then lie to everyone else that you are a moderate on something…anything.

There is nothing about Dean that is moderate - but he shares that attribute with most of the gang of midgets he has joined up with as they knee and elbow each other across the land, vying to see who will have the honor of being the Bush team’s sacrificial lamb in November, 2004.

But there is one area of the Dean bio that we find of particular interest, his medical degree.

Dean is the only MD running and though Deaniacs love to emphasize the title because of its supposed affirmative effect, they fail to mention that he totally abandoned medicine, in short order, to enter politics. More to the point he has not kept up with developments in the field or medical technology at all, in a Vermont Magazine article, while on a tour of Porter Hospital – where he served his residency – “Doctor” Dean mis-diagnoses a CT scan, wondering aloud if “perhaps they [two circles which were visible] were masses“ when in fact the “ two masses” were merely a tomograph of two sections of a thigh bone - as the technician patiently explained, Dean’s reply?

“This is more advanced than the teaching hospital I trained at 18 years ago, I mean wow…” 1998 - On Call With Howard Dean, by David Sleeper, Vermont Magazine

Wow indeed – like there is not a Doctor in the house.

Unlike many medical professionals - even former ones - Dean has a particularly strong affinity for that most controversial of medical procedures – abortion.

Listening to him in front of a women’s audience you would think abortion was his middle name.

It’s not surprising, really - Howard Dean served on the board of Planned Parenthood of Northern New England for five years. Planned Parenthood has made well over a billion dollars, profiteering on infanticide and members of the organization can be counted as among his strongest supporters.

In a January 21, 2003 speech supposedly decrying extremism - “…and I think if one of us doesn't win, next thing girls won't be able to go to school in America…” - before the most extreme group within the abortion support industry – NARAL – he found no fault with any abortion procedure in existence – “We do not hearken [sic] to the term "partial birth abortion" in my state because, because partial birth abortion is like the word, quota…It's a code word…designed to appeal to people's fears, to divisiveness…”

Something else, deeply disturbing happened during the NARAL speech.

To underscore why he was against the concept of parental notification – of requiring children to get the permission of a parent to have an abortion performed - Dean related a story about a 12 year-old girl:

“As many of you know I'm a doctor. I'm an internist, and I take care of all ages…one time a young lady came into my office who was 12 years old and she thought she might be pregnant. And we did the tests and did the exam and she was pregnant. She didn't know what to do. And after I had talked to her for a while I came to the conclusion that the likely father of her child was her own father.”

Poignant story, and a considerable helping of red meat thrown to the NARAL zealots who think abortion on demand extends to 12 year old girls whose parents should not be notified.

One small problem, Dean’s recitation of the story was a lie, and he knew it at the time.

DEAN: What do you mean?

RUSSERT: To say to people at NARAL...

DEAN: I don't think it's... (CROSSTALK)

DEAN: A pretty big omission, you mean?

RUSSERT: Omission, yes. That's a...

DEAN: I don't think it is at all.

RUSSERT: To suggest her father may have been...

DEAN: I thought it was. At the time, I thought it was.

RUSSERT: But when you told that story, you knew otherwise.

DEAN: That's right.

RUSSERT: Why didn't you say that?

DEAN: Because it didn't make any difference.” Meet The Press with Tim Russert, Jan 22, 2003.

The truth “didn’t make any difference” it was inconvenient, and aside from that slight correction the lack of veracity of the statement is further underlined by the fact that Dean doesn’t treat anyone anymore, let alone 12 year-old girls.

Howard Dean lied

“Dean told a powerful story but left out a key fact. What Dean didn’t say was he knew the father was not responsible, someone else was convicted.” USA Today

The left is always the group that raises the issue of reproduction first and, code word or not, Dean is going to have to deal with the ramifications of his position on that issue.

As a medical student Dean did his OB-GYN rotation at a Planned Parenthood clinic, as governor [oh and by the way, Dean sealed his gubernatorial records upon leaving office for the period of 10 years – he had requested 20 - curious?] he made changes in state law that caused all “family planning” to be contracted through Planned Parenthood’s abortion mill.

And yet he refuses to answer one simple question.

Dean is a gung-ho supporter of abortion including late trimester and partial birth abortions - his state, Vermont, even allows abortions to be performed by non-doctors.

According to CDC statistics, Vermont had one of the highest abortion/live birth ratios in the nation. In 1992 - during Dean’s second year of stewardship - it had 359 abortions for every 1000 live births.

For every 1000 children born, 359 were ripped from their mother’s wombs and unceremoniously flushed down the toilet.

Most puzzling - damning really - is Dean’s refusal to say whether or not he has personally performed abortions.

Since - in Dean’s way of looking at the issue - the unborn are mere tissue and since he has made abundantly clear that there is no abortion procedure that he opposes up to the actual moment of birth, why would he play a semantic game involving one of his core principals?

You would think that he would want to prove his commitment to the procedure, to the “right” of every female to receive abortion on demand, to loudly trumpet:

“Yes I have performed abortions of every type, first trimester, second and third trimester, suction curettage, dilation and evacuation, manual vacuum aspiration, partial birth, the whole enchilada. I have done them in back seats, with coat-hangers [sterile of course] hell I’ve even done them in my garage with my wife assisting me. Dammit, I’m Howard Dean, I’m PRO-ABORTION and I’m damned proud of it.”

But he doesn’t say that.

Even more curiously, he won’t say that he hasn’t performed abortions either.

Now lets think about that for a moment.

Either he has, or he hasn’t, but he won’t say either way.

Now this is a funny state of affairs.

One must assume that he does remember whether or not he did, or did not perform these procedures and it certainly seems odd that such a rabid supporter would not personally provide what he obviously considers sound medical treatment in line with the modern version of Hippocratic Oath - the classical oath of course is a little more tricky to navigate containing the following language:

“…I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it…Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art…”

What could be the harm in stating clearly and plainly that though he totally supports the procedure, he did not personally perform them, unless such a claim would be rendered a lie at some point hence, coming back to doubly harm him – first for denying it, second for performing a procedure he thought so shameful he felt the necessity to lie about it in the first place.

And it is that thought process that really leads in only one logical direction, the supposition that Dean probably did indeed perform abortions either at Planned Parenthood or at some other clinic, hospital or wherever else locations these “procedures” get done and that now he can’t admit it.

He can’t admit it because of the dirty little secret that despite what the radical feminists represent as being the “sense of the nation” an abortionist could never be elected president.

Most of the public considers it an odious procedure and the overwhelming percentage of medical professionals feel the same. That is why they need specialized “clinics” to perform them. OB-Gyn doctors simply will not sully themselves or the hospitals in which they practice.

Howard Dean is an extremist.

His positions on homosexual marriage, on the role of government, on defense and on abortion are far outside those of the mainstream of American voters.

Driven by what seems - from the outside anyway - a lemming-like rush to commit political suicide, Democrat party powerbrokers seem intent on selecting him as their standard bearer.

We on the right should be so lucky, because in that role he is exactly what the doctor ordered.

© 2003; PipeLineNews, all rights reserved.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; abortionists; dean; democrat; left; mtp; plannedparenthood; socialist; transcript; vermont
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-89 next last
This needs to be said, Dean is way far left, even for the Dems. There is a move afoot by the lamestream to make him appear moderate, but that is bs.

Good read.

1 posted on 08/12/2003 11:08:07 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Comment #2 Removed by Moderator

To: johnqueuepublic
I think the press and the establishment are the ones trying to make him look like an extremist when he is simply a rather bland New York transplant centrist.

Which I don't think is a good thing, but the press doth protest too much about his leftism in the face of the current President's preformance on the domestic front.


The real interesting question is if Dean were to say get to the Right of Bush on Immigration, he could actually look for conservative than the current President who has delivered very little for white males.

3 posted on 08/12/2003 11:13:28 AM PDT by JohnGalt ("Any man would give his only begotten son for democracy.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
The reality is that it’s a tiny little enclave holding little sway in the national political scheme

Sort of like, say, Arkansas?

4 posted on 08/12/2003 11:17:23 AM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Can you imagine someone who has the blood of an innocent baby on their hands as President of the USA?

We don't need another demonic President, I don't think this coulntry could survive it.
5 posted on 08/12/2003 11:18:44 AM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
I wish the author had provided verbatim quotations of Dean's response to the question of whether or not he has performed abortions.
6 posted on 08/12/2003 11:19:51 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Interesting read bump.
7 posted on 08/12/2003 11:27:04 AM PDT by FourPeas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GoOrdnance
Thanks, like I said it absolutely needs to be said!

Dean is nutzo leftomundo, pass it alongo!
8 posted on 08/12/2003 11:28:30 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FourPeas
I agree...very interesting read.

Gum

9 posted on 08/12/2003 11:31:54 AM PDT by ChewedGum ( http://king-of-fools.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Guillermo
Not only is Dean a mad abortionist, it appears he has performed abortions on children without parental notification and/or approval. Dean is the mad abortionist.
10 posted on 08/12/2003 11:32:26 AM PDT by jimbo123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
What positions of Deans are moderate?

he is a rabid abortion advocate, a tax and spend democrat, he evaded the draft with a phony back problem then spent the next year skiing, he advocates nationalized health care, he is also a liar.
11 posted on 08/12/2003 11:41:27 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Guillermo
yep
12 posted on 08/12/2003 11:41:58 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: presidio9
ha ha ha, precisely.
13 posted on 08/12/2003 11:42:36 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: governsleastgovernsbest
that might be because the Dean campaign will not go on the record, Dean is avoiding this like the plague, call them, axe them.
14 posted on 08/12/2003 11:43:27 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
What positions are any Democrats 'moderate' on?

Dean is thought well of by gun rights people where as the the other D's running are all radical leftists with better than 85% liberal voting records. To me, that tells me he is more 'moderate' -- whatever the hell that means-- than the rest of the field running.

15 posted on 08/12/2003 11:44:28 AM PDT by JohnGalt ("Any man would give his only begotten son for democracy.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Howard Dean is a Park Avenue, left-wing Democrat whose claim to fame is having been in the right place [Lt. Governor] when the Republican Governor [Richard Snelling] of Vermont died of a heart attack in 1991.

Hmmmmmm.

16 posted on 08/12/2003 11:45:19 AM PDT by tbpiper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Is Dean for abortion?

Of course.....don't vote for him!
17 posted on 08/12/2003 11:45:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Very interesting article. Can anyone tell me more re: PipelineNews.org & the author? Clearly there is little that can be refuted, but as a discussion tool, many will shoot due to the messenger with no regard to fact (Definition of a lefty). I would like to use this article in the future and want a firm footing.
18 posted on 08/12/2003 11:49:45 AM PDT by ctlpdad (When life hands you lemons, ask for Tequila & salt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic; Howlin; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; Liz; backhoe; NYC GOP Chick; Victoria Delsoul; ...
WOW --- bookmark this one --- let me summon the troops --- this is a must read, keep, and savor for ALL!

Please employ your respective ping lists!
19 posted on 08/12/2003 11:49:58 AM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
Couldnt vote for him im a pubbie.
20 posted on 08/12/2003 11:50:09 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
BTW, good find & post.
21 posted on 08/12/2003 11:50:27 AM PDT by ctlpdad (When life hands you lemons, ask for Tequila & salt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tbpiper
hadn't thought of that angle.

Where was Dean when that happened???
22 posted on 08/12/2003 11:51:08 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
*ROFL* Did you even read the article?
23 posted on 08/12/2003 11:51:08 AM PDT by =Intervention= (White devils for Sharpton Central Florida chapter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
One issue does not a moderate make. Kinda flimsy argument, don't you think?
24 posted on 08/12/2003 11:52:10 AM PDT by =Intervention= (White devils for Sharpton Central Florida chapter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: governsleastgovernsbest
I wish the author had provided verbatim quotations of Dean's response to the question of whether or not he has performed abortions.

Me too, because I can't remember ever hearing anyone ask him that question.

(But somebody will now...)

25 posted on 08/12/2003 11:53:28 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: ctlpdad
Sure

PipeLineNews has been doing this sort of stuff since about 1999.

Its based in California and the site has been featured on Fox News and CSPAN, the latter a couple of times.

Its pretty hard edged but that is what seems to be required these days, check it out.

I see nothing in this article which cant be substantiated.
26 posted on 08/12/2003 11:54:20 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: onyx
Ping-a-dean-dean
27 posted on 08/12/2003 11:55:29 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: =Intervention=
Of course he didnt read it.....lol
28 posted on 08/12/2003 11:57:57 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
He can’t admit it because of the dirty little secret that despite what the radical feminists represent as being the “sense of the nation” an abortionist could never be elected president.

Perhaps he can't admit it because some or all of the abortions that he performed were illegal? Maybe even at least one death of the mother? Can't have that, can we?

29 posted on 08/12/2003 11:59:33 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Very interesting.

Now let's shut up about it for nine months, until this ghoul is nominated.

30 posted on 08/12/2003 11:59:49 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sloth
Dont know about that, all I know is that Dean has to deal with radical support of abortion and his ties to Planned Parenthood which makes tons of money killing babies.

As far as I am concerned I dont care if he did or did not do them, he served part of his residency in an abortion mill that is damning enough for me, he is WAY outside the mainstream.
31 posted on 08/12/2003 12:01:51 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Professor
heh heh heh
32 posted on 08/12/2003 12:02:20 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: =Intervention=
I realize some of you are new to politics, but come on I am not that old or schooled in political science, but I can see a bad tactic when its right in front of my eyes.


Dean has populist appeal much like Clinton did in 1992, and antagonizing the base will only make him more popular. The better tactic is to remind voters that he is pro-gun and rather moderate, boring and unoriginal.

Most of Dean's appeal stems from how much the establishment hates him and paints him as a far leftists in order to make radical socialists like Kerry and Gephardt look moderate. In so doing, Dean will actually have to move Right somewhere-- I suspect immigration or guns when Bush comes out for the Assault Weapons Ban in the Fall.

Of course I could be wrong, but that is how I see it playing out.

33 posted on 08/12/2003 12:03:23 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Have you read Brave New World Yet????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
Offer proof, any proof that Dean is a moderate, you are either intentionally trying to put forth that proposition, absent any facts or merely ignorant.

So far you have offered nothing, nada, in support of your claim, put up or sit down and learn something.
34 posted on 08/12/2003 12:10:30 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
What the hell is a moderate if a conservative is defined as George Bush who has governed like LBJ?


35 posted on 08/12/2003 12:18:30 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Have you read Brave New World Yet????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
Look, pardner, that kind of obfuscation will get you nowhere in a debate.

Answer the question.

Is increasing spending by nearly 50% moderate?

no

Is supporting the right of 12 year old girls to have abortions behind their parents backs moderate?

no

Is supporting national health insureance moderate?

no

Is signing the gay marriage bill into law in VT moderate?

no

Balls in your court, bucko...
36 posted on 08/12/2003 12:21:25 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
None of those issues are considered moderate to conservatives, but they are moderate stances within the Democratic Party-- what is so hard to understand about that?

He will easily recast himself as a moderate, with the aid of the press, should he win the nomination, in my opinion. He certainly will not run as a liberal, he'll attempt to get to the Right of Bush alla Clinton 1992. Its a bad situation, and the playbook that calls for painting the D as a liberal hasn't worked since 1988 and I don't think its a good tactic.



How old are you? This is really politics 101 stuff but you're debating as if we are talking religion.




37 posted on 08/12/2003 12:31:20 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Have you read Brave New World Yet????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: onyx; johnqueuepublic; GoOrdnance; JohnGalt; presidio9; Guillermo; FourPeas; ChewedGum; jimbo123; ..
As a licensed practitioner, Dr Dean knew a sex crime had been committed on an underage girl. Did Dr Dean report the crime? If he did not report it, Dr Dean obstructed justice. And in most states it is a crime not to report your knowledge that a crime has been committed.

Perhaps the Vermont Physicians Licensing Board should be notified about Dr Dean’s actions in this matter.

Does Dr Dean support legislation which will require Planned Parenthood to report sex crimes against children? Women were dismayed when a 14 year old called Planned Parenthood clinics around the country. She said she was pregnant but didn't want her 23-year-old boyfriend to be prosecuted. Planned Parenthood was perfectly willing to abort the young girl and let the baby's father get away with rape and child abuse.

There is a national movement to hold certain abortion clinic employees criminally liable if they fail to report incidences of sex crimes against children. Does Dr Dean support this legislation?

38 posted on 08/12/2003 12:36:34 PM PDT by Liz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
And they are right wing from within Marxist circles, that is not a defense of your statement.

I just skimmed the article again, it seems to me that he is saying that these positions are not moderate from the perspective of the american people.

Kerry doesnt support gay marriage, neither does gephardt they are both to the right of dean who next to kucinich are the two farthest left pols to run for prez since McGovern.
39 posted on 08/12/2003 12:38:32 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Liz
An excellent tactical question, of course it should have been asked to David Souter before he was elevated to the bench by a Republican President.
40 posted on 08/12/2003 12:38:40 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Have you read Brave New World Yet????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Liz
Excellent (again) Liz. I knew you would come through!
41 posted on 08/12/2003 12:39:59 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
Neither does Dean; he supported a civil unions crapola bill but does not support gay marriage; in that respect he is only slightly to the Left of Bush-- to Bush's discredit...he is a wish-washy play both sides standard politician and apparently well schooled.




42 posted on 08/12/2003 12:43:31 PM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
I can hardly wait for Dean to say that he will neither confirm nor deny performing abortion out of respect for the privacy of his patients, after repeatly and publicly discussing the case of a 12-year-old pregnant girl and making spurious public accusations of incest. Some right to privacy this poor little girl had...
43 posted on 08/12/2003 12:46:21 PM PDT by gridlock (Remember: PC Kills.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt; onyx
Assuming he gets the nod, the question should be asked during the debates when he tries to pin down Bush on abortton. It should be a very enlightening moment.
44 posted on 08/12/2003 12:52:08 PM PDT by Liz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: onyx
I would like to believe this would exclude Dean from the nomination but after Clinton I'm convinced the base of the Democrat party will see this as a plus.
45 posted on 08/12/2003 12:53:14 PM PDT by DPB101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Liz
Dean is on record as NOT having reported it, he made the speech to naral and lied when he said he thought the father was guilty when he knew someone else had already been convicted.

Not sure what PP's position on reporting is, but considering they are willing to abort, on deman for $$$s I dont care what the heck they say.
46 posted on 08/12/2003 12:54:03 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Liz; DPB101
Yes, DPB, it's a plus for him with his lefties, but it won't play well at all in the general election, provided we're lucky enough to have mean-Dean oppose POTUS!
47 posted on 08/12/2003 12:55:54 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
Souter wasnt running for president, it is pubbie policy, as opposed to democrat policy not to use the abortion issue as a litmus test, i dont agree with that perspective but that is what it was at the time.

And I dont see how bringing up Souter bears at all on Dean, you stillhavent offered one position that he is moderate on.
48 posted on 08/12/2003 12:55:56 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: JohnGalt
fiddle faddle...you cant defend your statement...
49 posted on 08/12/2003 12:57:04 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: johnqueuepublic
You are not making any sense.

If it is your claim that Dean will be unable to cast himself as a moderate, fine. I disagree. I believe he will be able to cast himself as a moderate.

I don't think he is a moderate; I don't think George W is a moderate. I think they are both statists who believe in big government only one wants to invade Iraq and the other wants to invade Kosovo. One wants 'free' prescription drugs the other wants 'surgeries.'

They are both the same which is why I don't believe this is a good tactic.

50 posted on 08/12/2003 1:01:06 PM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-89 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson