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To: bedolido
The Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States.

Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for supressing said rebellion, do, on this 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, and in accordance with my purpose so to do, publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days from the first day above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States the following, to wit:

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard, Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension, Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.


In short, President Licoln attempted to free those whom he had no control over and leave those in chains that he did. But, that is a topic for another thread.

I am not familiar with northern slavery. What is your source?

The very document you reference.
17 posted on 08/13/2003 7:55:07 AM PDT by wasp69 (Remember, Uday in Pig Latin is DU)
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To: wasp69
Nice sting, Wasp!
39 posted on 08/13/2003 8:15:48 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: wasp69
thanks for the correction, and posting the source. It's amazing such things actually happened here. This was thought of as radical as well.
44 posted on 08/13/2003 8:20:22 AM PDT by bedolido (None of us is as dumb as all of us!)
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To: wasp69
In short, President Licoln attempted to free those whom he had no control over and leave those in chains that he did. But, that is a topic for another thread.

Lincoln had no Constitutional power to free slaves in states that were not in rebellion, or even areas of rebelous states that were under Federal control and where civilian law and Federal Courts were active. You should know that. The EP was a military order and could only be constitutionally applied in areas in rebellion.

Only state governments or an amendment to the Constitution could end slavery in areas loyal to the Union and Lincoln appealed to the governments of MD., KY., MO., and DE to do just that. MD. and MO. did. West Virginia was not admitted as a state (in 1863) until they ended slavery. It was a condition laid dow on thim as a requirement for admission. Lincoln also sponsored and twisted arms to get the 13th Amendment passed by Congress which required 2/3 support of both houses. He signed the bill in early 1865 and sent it to the states for ratification.

As to the EP freeing no slaves, you are wrong. As Union forces gained territory from Jan 1, 1863 (when the EP took effect) until Dec. of 1865 when the states ratified the 13th amendment, over 3 million slaves were freed under the terms of the EP, and nearly 100,000 of those freed slaves joined the Union army. Look up "Juneteenth" in Texas and tell us again that the EP freed no slaves.

74 posted on 08/13/2003 9:24:48 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: wasp69; bedolido
The Emancipation proclaimation was in effect only over the areas in rebellion, because those were the only areas that Lincoln had direct authority to issue against. They were under military law, and he was CIC.

He could not issue the proclaimation in the North. Had he done so, it may have pushed the loyal slave states, such as Missouri, into joining the Confederate states. Emancipation in these places had to be done by Constitutional amendment, which Lincoln pushed for. It did not pass until after his murder by a Southern radical.

In short, President Licoln attempted to free those whom he had no control over and leave those in chains that he did.

Exactly the opposite. To his way of view, he had legal authority to free the slaves in the rebelling territories, but the freeing of slaves in the non-rebellious states was up to the legislatures of those states, or the establishment of a Constitutional provision to do so.

113 posted on 08/13/2003 11:27:03 AM PDT by LexBaird (Views seen in this tag are closer than they appear.)
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