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To: Dirk McQuickly
Given that there are serious inconsistencies between what Kelly told the Parliamentary Committee and what's on Watts' tape, and given also that he was taped by Watts just after Gilligan's story had gone public, Kelly may just have been backtracking a little bit with her and then a lot more with the committee. That way his suicide might make more sense.

(On the inconsistencies point e.g. Kelly is talking on the tape about speaking with the BBCs Gavin Hewitt, which he explicitly denied doing in front of the select committee)

A bigger problem is that all this stuff confirms that Kelly and at least some other UK intelligence and technical professionals, believed and said to journalists, that Blair's people had at least to some extent distorted the contents of the dossier for PR purposes.

That hasn't been refuted at all. It's just been confirmed, not least by the Deputy Chief of Defence Intelligence on day one.

Sure, Gilligan has been badly damaged and even the BBC management have been fingered as putting pressure on Watts to help Gilligan. Blair's hatchet man Campbell is probably breathing a sigh of relief that Kelly avoided naming him on Watts' tape. The long-term PR damage is pretty severe though and Blair's crew have no real answer but more spin.

Have a look at this poll data, you can see what the UK people think of Blair right now

http://www.yougov.com/yougov_website/asp_besPollArchives/pdf/DBD020101010.pdf.
22 posted on 08/13/2003 11:19:10 AM PDT by bernie_g
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To: bernie_g
Hmm URL didn't work. Try this one, which works in preview:

http://www.yougov.com/yougov_website/asp_besPollArchives/bes_arcMain.asp?sID=3&rID=2&wID=0&uID=

It's the pdf with David Kelly in the title four down from the top. Some highlights,

Conservative ahead of Labour
68% think Blair's Government is dishonest and untrustworthy
70% think there is a culture of deceit and spin in govt
41% blame the government for Kelly's death and 9% the BBC

Of course, this was done a few days before the Inquiry started. It'll be interesting to see how it changes.
23 posted on 08/13/2003 11:32:14 AM PDT by bernie_g
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To: bernie_g; Timesink; Congressman Billybob
Why couldn't Saddam mix precursor chems and fill the reservoir of a missile in 45 minutes? Clinton's SOD William Cohen - report released 10 days before leaving office - gave Saddam a few weeks to a month to start up the chem production:

Iraq Rebuilt Weapons Factories, Officials Say 

Source: New York Times
Published: 1/22/01

 
By STEVEN LEE MYERS and ERIC SCHMITT

ASHINGTON, Jan. 21 — Iraq has rebuilt a series of factories that the United States has long suspected of producing chemical and biological weapons, according to senior government officials. The new intelligence estimate could confront President Bush with an early test of his pledge to take a tougher stance against President Saddam Hussein than the Clinton administration did.

The factories — in an industrial complex in Falluja, west of Baghdad — include two that were bombed and badly damaged by American and British air raids in December 1998 to punish Mr. Hussein for his refusal to cooperate with United Nations weapons inspectors, the government officials said.

The new intelligence estimates were mentioned, but without any such specific details, in a report on weapons threats released on Jan. 10 by the outgoing secretary of defense, William S. Cohen. It warned that Iraq had rebuilt at least its weapons infrastructure and may have begun covertly producing some chemical or biological agents.

Last week, the officials provided details on what they said was the reconstruction of the two factories, and the resumption of the production of chlorine at a third in the same complex.

The factories have ostensibly commercial purposes, but all three were previously involved in producing chemical or biological agents and were among those closely monitored by the United Nations inspectors, the officials said. One of the rebuilt factories, for example, is making castor oil used in brake fluid, the Iraqis say, but the mash from castor beans contains a deadly biological toxin called ricin, the officials said.

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While officials have previously disclosed that Iraq had rebuilt missile plants destroyed in the 1998 strikes, the Jan. 10 report released by Mr. Cohen was the first public acknowledgment of the resumption of work at suspected chemical and biological plants.

"Some of Iraq's facilities could be converted fairly quickly to production of chemical weapons," the report said at one point. It went on to warn, "Iraq retains the expertise, once a decision is made, to resume chemical agent production within a few weeks or months, depending on the type of agent."


25 posted on 08/13/2003 2:35:14 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (149,998 US troops won hearts and kicked butt w/ their 2 lost brothers yesterday: www.centcom.mil)
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To: bernie_g
A bigger problem is that all this stuff confirms that Kelly and at least some other UK intelligence and technical professionals, believed and said to journalists

No, Kelly said there were questions from other professionals. That's what he told these reporters. He denied that to the committee, perhaps knowing there were no names to name.

31 posted on 08/13/2003 8:59:26 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: bernie_g
I tried your link but didn't get the poll.

Blair's been stabbed in the back by Kelly, from my pov, and the BBC eagerly latched on to this line and "sexed it up" as they like to say.

The fact that poll numbers may be down because the media has relentlessly, even now, still insisted that Blair has much to answer for when it looks like he and others have been lied about, does not move me to think he's in the wrong. I have seen nothing to support that, but plenty to show his enemies were willing to lie to try to bring him down.
32 posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:28 PM PDT by cyncooper
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