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New Dinosaur Species Found in India
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| August 13, 2003
| RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM
Posted on 08/13/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: concisetraveler
Black men all over the world should be angered by that one. It does seem very racial to me.Black men should be angered by being shown as having black skin?
2,181
posted on
08/22/2003 1:19:06 PM PDT
by
jennyp
(http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
To: Alamo-Girl
Therefore, Genesis 2 and 3 speak of events which are concurrently transpiring in eternity culminating with Adam and Eve being banished to mortality. That's when I see Adamic man entering the physical realm in the form of a human being. That constitutes the Fall, when death entered the physical realm, i.e. spiritual Adamic man must now die. What made the difference between Adamic man and all the other men who were on earth was the neshama the breath of God. AG, have you read any of the gnostic gospels? There seems to be a strong similarity between what you wrote above and the beliefs of some of the gnostic sects, in particular the idea of the Fall as bondage to the physical realm. The gnostics were on the fringes of early Christianity; they had some influence on its development, while at the same time the more extreme gnostics were anathematized.
To: Right Wing Professor
Thank you for your post! As far as I know, I haven't read the gnostic gospels unless they were part of the Pseudepigrapha. But since you have made me curious, I'll go looking.
To: <1/1,000,000th%
Of course it'll be awhile before the genes are identified and we're going to have to wait it out. I agree.
To: Right Wing Professor
I just checked and found the list of gnostic writings. They are not part of the Pseudepigraphas (which are essentially Jewish) - thus I have not read them. Based on these two summaries of the theology, they would run counter to my faith:
Gnostics, Gnostic Gospels, & Gnosticism A one-sentence description of Gnosticism: a religion that differentiates the evil god of this world (who is identified with the god of the Old Testament) from a higher more abstract God revealed by Jesus Christ, a religion that regards this world as the creation of a series of evil archons/powers who wish to keep the human soul trapped in an evil physical body, a religion that preaches a hidden wisdom or knowledge only to a select group as necessary for salvation or escape from this world.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Gnosticism
A collective name for a large number of greatly-varying and pantheistic-idealistic sects, which flourished from some time before the Christian Era down to the fifth century, and which, while borrowing the phraseology and some of the tenets of the chief religions of the day, and especially of Christianity, held matter to be a deterioration of spirit, and the whole universe a depravation of the Deity, and taught the ultimate end of all being to be the overcoming of the grossness of matter and the return to the Parent-Spirit, which return they held to be inaugurated and facilitated by the appearance of some God-sent Saviour.
I should explain my point about the Fall a little further. When Genesis speaks of Adam being specially made, the word neshama is used to describe the breath of God which made Adam a living soul. The soul of the animals in Genesis 1 (including homo sapiens on earth in my view) was called the nephesh. We have both of these and also the ruach which I think of as the pivot, deciding whether to be God-centered (neshamah) or carnally-centered (nephesh.) The differences are more thoroughly discussed on this thread.
So when Adam, in the Garden of Eden paradise in eternity, disobeyed - he was banished to the physical realm so that he would die. (Genesis 3:22-24)
The essence of Adam was his neshamah, and thus death entered the world through Adam. And so creation anxiously waits for the manifestation of the sons of God (Romans 8:19-22)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Romans 5:12-14
To: Right Wing Professor; Alamo-Girl
AG, have you read any of the gnostic gospels? I've only ever read the Gospel of Thomas in translation, but it does have a way of turning a neat phrase. Very beautiful language, IMO.
2,186
posted on
08/22/2003 2:21:32 PM PDT
by
general_re
(A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.)
To: general_re
Thank you so much for the endorsement! It appears I need to "catch up" with y'all so we can discuss the gnostic gospels.
To: Alamo-Girl
I wasn't suggesting they were consistent with orthodox Christianity; on the other hand, it would be unwise to go on what's said in the Catholic Encyclopedia, for example. It was written in 1912, and we knew nothing about the gnostics, except what their enemies wrote about them, until 1947, when a library of their writings was found at Nag Hammadi. The theology is obviously un-Christian; but the pre-fall human as spiritual, locked into a physical body by the fall, struck me as a very Gnostic idea. The Gnostics took it a step further by making the godhead itself dualist.
There is still a living gnostic sect, curiously enough - the Mandaeans of southern Iran. They've been heavily persecuted by the Islamic government, with little attention from the rest of the world.
To: Alamo-Girl
There's not too much catching up to do with Thomas - it's a collection of about 100 or so sayings that are attributed to Jesus, rather than being a narrative account of the life of Jesus as the canonical gospels are. There's a
short FAQ about Thomas, including the issue of its gnosticism, and then you can read the
text itself, which is really not all that long.
2,189
posted on
08/22/2003 2:39:27 PM PDT
by
general_re
(A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.)
To: Alamo-Girl
Thomas is a good way to get your feet wet, as it's a sort of "gnostic-lite" approach to things. There's a good online collection of the rest of the Nag Hammadi texts
here, if you want to get into the rest of it. I keep meaning to really sit down and go through it all one of these days, but something always manages to come up ;)
2,190
posted on
08/22/2003 2:48:31 PM PDT
by
general_re
(A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.)
To: Right Wing Professor
Thank you so much for your endorsement! general_re has loaded me up with links, so I'll get to reading them this evening. At the moment, I have to go offline and cook, etc.
See you later!
To: general_re
Thanks for the links and endorsements! I've gotta go offline for several hours, but I'll try to read them before posting back this evening. Thank you so much!
To: concisetraveler
That one is hysterical, LOL. I like the furry one best. Yes, it is pretty humorous in light of this picture of DNA data.
To: Alamo-Girl
My pleasure. There's a lot there, though, so don't be surprised if it takes you a bit longer than a few hours ;)
2,194
posted on
08/22/2003 2:59:40 PM PDT
by
general_re
(A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.)
To: VadeRetro
I promise you that the unit known as a light-year is a measure of distance.I find it astonishing that discussions of this type, to correct such obscene knowledge gaps as these, are still necessary.
To: jennyp
Nice try. Black men should be angered for being portrayed is such a likeness as SO CALLED missing links. You have to admit, the imagined similarity between the artists imagined rendition is very telling of the mindset of the artist in question.
To: Condorman
Dead thread placemarker.
2,197
posted on
08/22/2003 5:58:35 PM PDT
by
Junior
(Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
To: Junior
I can understand your misunderstanding from the post which you quoted. I know evolutionists believe that the changes occurred gradually. My point was at some point man was fully man. Unless every single creature gained that full manness at the same time, he was mating with something that would have been less (even if it only slightly less) human than he was. That was my point.
To: js1138
Every picture of man-ape evolution I have seen, including the one in the link that was sent to me.
To: DittoJed2
All groups of people who have lived for a long time near the equator have dark skin. I imagine you will find exceptions, but that is the rule.
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