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To: DittoJed2
No I'm not. You may claim that Darwinism doesn't try to place value on human life, but it can not be neutral. There are repercussions to thought systems. [snip]

It's a conceptual model of the operation of a subset of the universe - it doesn't judge people. Try to overcome the bias of your own belief system and view the world through someone else's eyes - you'll never understand them without trying.

There are implications to when you tell people they are no better than animals, and repercussions to a system of belief without moral foundation.

I didn't say that - that's your strawman based on a poor understanding of what science is.

Again, I sure hope you aren't pro-life. Because having someone who is a Darwinist stand up and say why life is valuable would not e very persuasive.

Total non-sequitur. I would not base such an argument on the "value" of life - that's your strawman based on your belief system.

Me: However, we are more specialized than other hominids towards a larger brain, unimpeded voice box, and bipedal stance.

You: Okay, a "Favored" race. How's that? That is how Darwin worded it. It also shows that you do not understand Darwin.

Where did I say that we weren't? You sure like to jump to unwarranted conclusions. Try to stop and think before you post next time.

No strawman. You can not have it to where it makes no moral judgments.

Really? Show me an example. What moral judgements does the Theory of Gravity make?

Me: On the contrary, as Junior has pointed out several times, both the individual instinct and the cultural basis for survival, reproduction, and the protection of one's children, impose such judgements. And for clearly rational and easily understandable reasons.

You: Baloney.

Allow me to rephrase that. Most 5th graders would understand that.

Saying they are less than human, which is what I was referring to, absolves them of responsibility more than allowing demons to control them.

Simple enough. Define "human" then. Explain why they are "less than human" (there's that high/low strawman again).

2,258 posted on 08/23/2003 8:34:40 AM PDT by balrog666 (Wisdom comes by disillusionment. -George Santanyana)
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To: balrog666
No I'm not. You may claim that Darwinism doesn't try to place value on human life, but it can not be neutral. There are repercussions to thought systems. [snip]

It's a conceptual model of the operation of a subset of the universe - it doesn't judge people. Try to overcome the bias of your own belief system and view the world through someone else's eyes - you'll never understand them without trying.

He says as he judges me.

There are implications to when you tell people they are no better than animals, and repercussions to a system of belief without moral foundation.
I didn't say that - that's your strawman based on a poor understanding of what science is.

Okay, then what is it that makes human beings more valuable than apes, mice, bananas, or the like? Since I have such a poor understanding of what "science" is?

Again, I sure hope you aren't pro-life. Because having someone who is a Darwinist stand up and say why life is valuable would not e very persuasive.
Total non-sequitur. I would not base such an argument on the "value" of life - that's your strawman based on your belief system.

Excuse me? I'm drawing out the implications of Darwinism. Yes, my belief system values life. Darwinistic philosophy holds absolutely no basis for such values.

Me: However, we are more specialized than other hominids towards a larger brain, unimpeded voice box, and bipedal stance.
So, then it is "specialization" that makes us more valuable? Says who? You are making a judgment call on that one.

You: Okay, a "Favored" race. How's that? That is how Darwin worded it. It also shows that you do not understand Darwin.
Bet me. The title of his book, the full title: "The Origin of the Species: The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life." I may not understand every element of science, but I understand ENGLISH!

Where did I say that we weren't? You sure like to jump to unwarranted conclusions. Try to stop and think before you post next time.
Weren't what???

No strawman. You can not have it to where it makes no moral judgments.

Really? Show me an example. What moral judgements does the Theory of Gravity make?

We aren't talking about gravity. We are talking about the belief system known as DARWINISM. Try to keep up and stop with the red herrings.

Me: On the contrary, as Junior has pointed out several times, both the individual instinct and the cultural basis for survival, reproduction, and the protection of one's children, impose such judgements. And for clearly rational and easily understandable reasons.
You: Baloney.
Allow me to rephrase that. Most 5th graders would understand that.

Except if they come from cannibalistic societies. And, why do they "understand" this? Instinct? Poppycock.


Saying they are less than human, which is what I was referring to, absolves them of responsibility more than allowing demons to control them.
Simple enough. Define "human" then. Explain why they are "less than human" (there's that high/low strawman again).

Read my previous statemets on humanity.
2,259 posted on 08/23/2003 9:20:26 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: balrog666
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/963744/posts?page=2219#2219
2,260 posted on 08/23/2003 9:23:11 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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