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Pollard to get another day in court
Internet Jerusalem Post ^ | Aug. 14, 2003 | THE JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF

Posted on 08/14/2003 8:10:40 PM PDT by Phil V.

The Jerusalem Post Internet Edition

Pollard to get another day in court



Lawyers for imprisoned spy Jonathan Pollard will have 40 minutes in a federal courtroom on September 2nd to explain why they should be permitted to continue efforts to rescind his life sentence, the Jewish Telegraph Agency reports.

Attorneys Jacques Semmelman and Eliot Lauer will get 30 minutes to argue why they should be permitted to appeal, the government can take a half hour to respond, and then Pollard s attorneys will be granted 10 minutes for the last word.

The hearing will reportedly focus on two issues:

  • Was Pollard's March 1987 conviction based on a misleading secret 46-page affidavit?

  • Was Pollard denied due process by a defense attorney who declined to file a routine appeal after Judge Aubrey Robinson threw a crowded courtroom into pandemonium with an unexpected life sentence?

    Pollard has already has served far longer than the average for people convicting of spying either for enemies of the United States or for allies.




TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: espionage; infamousspies; infamousspy; jonathanpollard; spy
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1 posted on 08/14/2003 8:10:40 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Pollard has already has served far longer than the average for people convicting of spying either for enemies of the United States or for allies.
Let Pollard serve just a little bit longer, like, say, until he dies of natural causes, or until those who were killed because Pollard compromised them rise from the dead to argue for Pollard's release.
2 posted on 08/14/2003 8:17:26 PM PDT by Asclepius (karma vigilante)
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To: Phil V.
Take a look first.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/963749/posts
3 posted on 08/14/2003 8:18:58 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: Finalapproach29er
Keep him in jail.

Weld the door shut so no key is needed.
4 posted on 08/14/2003 8:23:08 PM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: Asclepius
Let Pollard serve just a little bit longer, like, say, until he dies of natural causes, or until those who were killed because Pollard compromised them rise from the dead to argue for Pollard's release.

Sounds like a fair compromise.

5 posted on 08/14/2003 8:28:30 PM PDT by owl
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To: Phil V.
I would let him out.....for a short walk to the gallows.
6 posted on 08/14/2003 8:30:44 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Asclepius
Let Pollard serve just a little bit longer, like, say, until he dies of natural causes, or until those who were killed because Pollard compromised them rise from the dead to argue for Pollard's release.

You have that right! Every American citizen should be appalled that a release for this spy is even being discussed!

7 posted on 08/14/2003 8:33:57 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (VOTE FOR ARNOLD -- GOP's Best Chance to Tank Hillary for 2004 and beyond!)
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To: Finalapproach29er
Take a look first.

. . . for what? . . . for another article on this topic or for a duplicate? And If I should find another article on this topic . . . so what? FYI . . . I used this search string, "Pollard to get".

Go to bed, newbie.

8 posted on 08/14/2003 8:39:16 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
We (forced) influenced Israel to release terrorists, especially Clintoon, but now this administration has as well.

Clearly a majority of FReeper posts regarding Pollard are rock hard against his release, no matter what.

No matter the injustice of comparative sentences served.

No matter that some of the prisoners Clintoon (forced) influenced Israel to release, some of these released prisoners have fresh Israeli blood on their hands.

9 posted on 08/14/2003 9:16:50 PM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: Phil V.
We surely have spies locked up in China or Russia, maybe all over the place.

How would we as Americans feel if a publicized case were constantly brought up in the media, supposedly a bargaining chip, part of prisoner exchanges or prisoner release, then refused after indicating a "deal" was made.

over and over again ...

If it were an American in some other country's jail, I'd be unhappy about that.

10 posted on 08/14/2003 9:21:15 PM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: Taiwan Bocks
No matter that some of the prisoners Clintoon (forced) influenced Israel to release, some of these released prisoners have fresh Israeli blood on their hands.

Mohammad Atta

3,000 dead Americans

Trillion-dollar blow to GNP

Thanks, Clintons

11 posted on 08/14/2003 9:32:14 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Phil V.; Cinnamon Girl; Ann Archy; Shermy; Badabing Badaboom; blam; TrebleRebel; Humidston; ...
Free Lori Berenson!

Free Mumia!

Robert Meeropol: Fighting the Frame-Up-- From the Rosenbergs to Mumia

Genius Dunderheads

12 posted on 08/14/2003 9:33:32 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: PhilDragoo
You're so right!

And there was a risk of that happening when clinton (forced) influenced Israel to release him and the others who then committed other acts of terrorism.

This has no direct bearing on the Pollard case, however if he were an American in another country's jail and that country had such easily mentioned double standards, many other Americans as well as I would be very disappointed.

13 posted on 08/14/2003 9:37:59 PM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: Phil V.
Give him his day in court, and then shoot the back stabbing treasoness SOB.
14 posted on 08/14/2003 9:43:10 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks, Clintons

So why is George Soros trying to get another Bill Clinton in office? Why does the list of the top DNC donors look like this:

George Soros: $10 million
Haim Saban: $9.1 million
Fred Eychaner, :$7.4 million
Steven Bing: $7.1 million
Steve Kirsch: $3.3 million
Bernard Schwartz:$2.3 million
Somebody explain it to me. I can't figure it out.
15 posted on 08/14/2003 9:47:41 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: Finalapproach29er
Do we have to start all over again by listening to shysters portraying Pollard as an innocent Alger Hiss or Julius Rosenberg?
16 posted on 08/14/2003 9:50:06 PM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: Phil V.

Free American hero Jonathan Pollard!

Memo to bloodthirsty ignoramuses: he saved your behind too!
17 posted on 08/14/2003 9:51:54 PM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
Hear, Hear!!!
18 posted on 08/14/2003 9:53:48 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: HISSKGB
Do we have to start all over again by listening to shysters portraying Pollard as an innocent Alger Hiss or Julius Rosenberg?

Don't forget those poor innocents Sacco and Vanzetti. That is where this crap started.

19 posted on 08/14/2003 9:58:00 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: HISSKGB; DPB101; dennisw; Taiwan Bocks
I have immense respect for Benjamin Netanyahu and attach this one paragraph from a long article on Jonathon Pollard at Terror in the U.S. and the Jonathan Pollard case.

Congressman Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., recently wrote a letter to President Bush in which he stated: "The facts of the case show that none of the information provided by Mr. Pollard resulted in the loss of lives or the utility of any agents, the need to replace or relocate intelligence equipment, the loss of sources of information, or the compromising of technology. And while sentences in espionage cases are traditionally proportional to the damage caused, Mr. Pollard's sentence is in gross violation of this principle. Having reviewed many of the documents in the case myself and received numerous briefings on the subject, I believe that if anyone were to conduct an original review of Mr. Pollard's case, they would come to the same conclusion that I have: Mr. Pollard's sentence does not fit his crime."

Clinton sent Carville to insert Barak and oust Netanyahu to facilitate Arafat's terror.

It was also Clinton who fired Woolsey for saying Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi agent.

Now Laurie Mylroie says both Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheik Mohammed are Iraqi agents sheepdipped as Pakistan Baluch via stolen Kuwaiti passports.

Hillary blames Bush for the current power outage in her adopted home state, although her copresidency did nothing to correct the conditions she deplores.

As for the shoulder-fired missile threat, what was Flight 800, if not that? Suppressed by the Clintons along with the Iraqi John Doe Number Two at OKC unmasked by Jayna Davis.

There is more to this than has been hawked and hyped.

The treason of the Clintons.

Now comes Boris Berezovsky to mock the Israeli security forces for failing in the war on terror--

--and there have been 180 terror attacks since the hudna was declared in June.

What will Hillary instigate to destroy Bush's popularity and the U.S. economy so she can ascend to her throne next year--

--since she will be consumed by that soccer ball abdominal tumor before 2008.

20 posted on 08/14/2003 10:06:38 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: DPB101
Why am I not surprised to see you hooking up with your old comrade in arms, LarryLied? Kept the spot warm for you in your banishment, did he?

So when can we expect the turd of the trio of hyper-antisemites, RCW2001, to be back again?

21 posted on 08/14/2003 10:32:33 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: DPB101
More of your Jew obsession, Larry.
22 posted on 08/14/2003 10:34:52 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: DPB101
Somebody explain it to me. I can't figure it out.

Maybe you should go back to LibertyForum, LarryLied. I see you've only posted a measly four posts there the last three weeks. No wonder, since you're back to sabotaging FR again. Your obsessive antics seem to make your brain unhitch, somehow ;).

23 posted on 08/14/2003 10:37:54 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: PhilDragoo
BY JOHN LOFTUS --->




There is a good reason why neither Congress nor the American Jewish leadership supports the release of Jonathan Pollard from prison: They all were told a lie—a humongous Washington whopper of a lie. The lie was first whispered in the "bubble," the secret intelligence briefing room on Capitol Hill, but it quickly spread.

Just before Pollard’s sentencing, Senator Chic Hecht of Nevada, a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, telephoned the leaders of every major Jewish organization to warn them not to support Pollard in any way. Pollard had done something so horrible that it could never be made public. Several senior intelligence sources confirmed the message: No matter how harsh the sentence, Jewish leaders had to keep their mouths shut; don’t make a martyr out of Jonathan Pollard.

Washington insiders thought they knew the big, dark secret. David Luchins, an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, announced to reporters that he had seen "secret documents confirming that Pollard’s spying had resulted in the loss of lives of U.S. intelligence agents." Luchins later recanted his statement, but not until the damage had already been done.

Pollard had supposedly given Israel a list of every American spy inside the Soviet Union. On several occasions Soviet agents in New York had posed as Israelis. The CIA reasoned that that was also true in Israel: The Mossad had been infiltrated by one or more Soviet spies. In the trade this is called a "false flag" operation: Your enemy poses as your ally and steals your secrets. In this case, the CIA reasoned in attempting to explain its horrendous losses, Pollard had passed the information to Israel he had stolen, which in turn fell victim to the "false flag" operation. Soviet agents in Israel, posing as Israeli intelligence agents, passed the information to Moscow, which then wiped out American human assets in the Soviet Union.

Pollard hadn’t meant for this to happen, but the result of the "false flag" mistake was mass murder. In a matter of months, every spy we had in Russia—more than 40 agents—had been captured or killed. At least that was the accusation, but the basis for it had been kept secret from Pollard and his defense counsel.

The public could not be told the horrifying truth: American intelligence had gone blind behind the Iron Curtain—we had lost all our networks, as the intelligence community publicly admitted more than a decade later. The Soviets could have attacked the United States without warning. Everyone who knew at the time (including me) blamed Pollard.

On March 5, 1987, at 2:22 p.m., the sentencing hearing in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., began in Criminal Case No. 86-207, United States of America v. Jonathan Jay Pollard. The prosecutors produced a secret letter and memo from Secretary of Defense Caspar "Cap" Weinberger referring to the "enormous" harm that Pollard had done to our national security. In his memo, Weinberger directly accused Pollard of betraying America’s "sources and methods," which is to say, he had betrayed our spies in foreign countries.

Weinberger publicly stated that Pollard was the worst spy in American history: "It is difficult for me, even in the so-called year of the spy, to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant." Despite his plea agreement to the contrary with the government, Pollard was given the maximum sentence, life in prison. Weinberger later said that he wished Pollard had been shot.

A week after the sentencing, the Washington Times reported that the United States had identified Shabtai Kalmanovich as the Soviet spy in Israel who supposedly worked for the Mossad but was actually working for the KGB; he had betrayed American secrets to Moscow. Kalmanovich had been flying under a false flag. Washington insiders winked knowingly at one another: Pollard’s contact in Israel had been caught.

Just to make sure that Pollard was blamed, U.S. intelligence sources, several months later, leaked word to the press of the Kalmanovich connection. "A Russian mole has infiltrated the Mossad and is transmitting highly sensitive American intelligence information to the Russians," was the report flashed around the world by United Press International on Dec. 14, 1987. Citing "American intelligence sources," the UPI announced that the "sensitive intelligence material relayed to Israel by Jonathan Pollard had reached the KGB."

But it was all untrue. Every bit of it. Pollard wasn’t the serial killer. The Jew didn’t do it. It was one of their own WASPs—Aldrich Ames, a drunken senior CIA official who sold the names of America’s agents to the Russians for cash. Pollard was framed for Ames’s crime, while Ames kept on drinking and spying for the Soviets for several more years. In fact, Israeli intelligence later suspected that Ames played a direct role in framing Pollard. But no one in America then knew the truth.

Ames was arrested in February 1994, and confessed to selling out American agents in the Soviet Union, but not all of them. It was only logical to assume that Pollard had betrayed the rest of them, as one former CIA official admitted shortly after Ames’s arrest. Even one life lost was too many. So Pollard continued to rot in jail. No one dreamed that yet another high-level Washington insider had sold us out to Soviet intelligence. Years passed, and eventually a Russian defector told the truth. A senior FBI official—Special Agent Robert Hanssen—had betrayed the rest of our agents. Hanssen was arrested in February 2001, and soon confessed in order to avoid the death penalty. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

Would the Americans now admit that they had been conned into blaming Pollard? Beltway bureaucrats do not readily admit to mistakes of this magnitude. Instead, they convinced themselves that Pollard might still be at least partly to blame for the worst debacle in U.S. intelligence history. One desperate analyst from the National Security Council, looking for something to pin on Pollard, had his own theory. Maybe the Russians didn’t initially believe that their own spies (Ames and Hanssen) had procured all the names of U.S. agents in the Soviet Union. Maybe Pollard’s list tipped the scales.

Such things had happened before. Once again, Washington insiders circled their alphabet agencies to fire back at the critics who dared to suggest that Pollard might have been innocent of the major charge against him.

Meanwhile, deep inside the Navy’s intelligence service, a low-level decision was made to re-examine the Pollard case in view of the convictions of Ames and Hanssen. With sickening chagrin, the Navy discovered that the evidence needed to clear Pollard had been under its nose all along.

As my source in Naval intelligence explained, the list of our secret agents inside Russia had been kept in a special safe in a special room with a special "blue stripe" clearance needed for access. When I was a lawyer in the Justice Department and would be sent over to the CIA to do research, I was permitted to use only a blue-striped, CIA-issue legal pad for note-taking. Nothing with a blue stripe could leave the building without being scrutinized by CIA security.

But Jonathan Pollard didn’t have "blue stripe" clearance, according to intelligence sources I spoke with. That was the bombshell that would clear him of any possible connection to the deaths of our Russian agents.

Just to make sure, I checked it out, even visiting Pollard in prison to confirm it. Sure enough, there is no way on earth Jonathan Pollard could have entered the file room, let alone the safe where the list was kept.

But the intelligence community’s failure to catch this and thereby discredit a critical piece of prosecutorial evidence was, to put it mildly, a bit of an oversight. Some would say it was an obscene blunder. I regard it as an understandable mistake that was overlooked in the avalanche of phony evidence the KGB was planting that pointed to Pollard and away from Ames and Hanssen, whom the Soviets wanted to protect. Both of them had "blue stripe" clearance, as was well documented in several books that have been written on each man and his exploits.

The lack of "blue stripe" clearance was the final proof that Pollard could not possibly have betrayed our Russian agents. It should certainly have gotten him a new hearing. As a former federal prosecutor, I can state that it would be hard to rebut this kind of evidence.

The Justice Department, in one of its briefs, had specifically mentioned the "false flag" theory as grounds to support Pollard’s heavy sentence, arguing in part, that spying even for friendly countries can be damaging if information ultimately falls into the wrong hands. In this, the Justice Department had unwittingly misled the judge. Weinberger also raised the "false flag" issue in his top-secret memorandum to the judge.

The only possible way to uphold the sentence might be the "harmless error" doctrine. The government could admit that Pollard had never stolen the Russian agent list, but so what? Maybe he had passed other information that was equally damaging, so he would still deserve to remain in prison for the rest of his life.

The problem with the "harmless error" strategy is that the rest of the material that Pollard gave the Israelis was itself pretty harmless.

In fact, the original damage assessment from the intelligence community confirmed that the impact on our national security—of the release of information other than the agent names—was not serious. This assessment came after Pollard’s initial grand jury appearance, but before the Soviets began to frame Pollard with the phony Kalmanovich connection. No less a figure than Assistant U.S. Attorney Charles Leeper had characterized damage caused by the release of the information that Pollard actually gave Israel as "minimal."

The reason America suffered so little harm is simple: Pollard was stealing Soviet secrets for Israel, not American secrets for the Soviets. Before the fall of communism, the Soviets were shipping guns to nearly every terrorist group in the Middle East. Pollard knew that U.S. intelligence had been ordered to share this information with Israel—under an executive order signed by President Reagan—but had not done so.

In fact, as Pollard himself admitted in one of my three prison interviews, many, if not most, of the documents he handed over were cover sheets showing the titles of files that the U.S. was supposed to share with Israel, but were holding back. (The U.S government, according to Israeli intelligence sources, mistakenly counted the cover sheets as if they were full files and came up with the mythical "room full of stolen documents," instead of the small boxfulls or so that Pollard actually passed.) In the long run, though, the issue is not how many boxes Pollard passed, but whether anything he gave Israel did harm to America.

After the government’s "false flag" theory was blown up by the "blue stripe" discovery, the anti-Pollard members of the intelligence community had to come up with a new PR campaign for damage control. In order to justify Pollard’s life sentence, they had to show that he did do some potentially catastrophic damage to America. What they came up with was a bit of a stretch. Pollard had given Israel a set of radio frequency guidebooks, a worldwide listing of short-wave radio bands. It takes a lot of time and money to compile one of these guides, but essentially they are just publicly available information, openly deduced by listening to who is talking to whom on which radio bands.

Seymour Hersh is a famous reporter and long-time friend. (I was his secret source in his 1983 book The Price of Power—Kissinger in Nixon’s White House (Summit Books). But Sy had his leg pulled on Pollard by his CIA sources, as a result of which Sy published a story in the New Yorker in January 1999 claiming that these radio guides were just about the crown jewels of U.S. intelligence. The truth is that certain portions of the guide had already been sold to the Soviets by the Walker spy ring, according to courtroom testimony, which also revealed that the Soviets thought so little of the guides’ value that they did not even bother to ask their top spies, Ames and Hanssen, to steal the remainder of the set. Moreover, as previously noted, the government’s own damage assessment report originally concluded that the loss of the guides was a minor matter.

So much for the crown jewels. If that is the best spin the intelligence community can come up with, Pollard is probably entitled to immediate release for time served. The truth is that without the "false flag" theory, and the accompanying "worst spy in history" hysteria, Pollard would probably have been served no more than five years in prison. He has already served 18 years.

After 9/11, though, I began to realize that Pollard’s tale was only the beginning of a much bigger story about a major America intelligence scandal, which is the subject of a book I am now working on. Although Jonathan Pollard did not realize it, he had stumbled across the darkest secret in the Reagan administration’s closet. It is one of the reasons that I am serving as the intelligence advisor on a trillion-dollar federal lawsuit filed in August 2002 against the Saudis on behalf of the victims of 9/11.

Pollard in fact did steal something that the U.S. government never wishes to talk about. Several friends inside military intelligence have told me that Pollard gave the Israelis a roster that listed the identities of all the Saudi and other Arab intelligence agents we knew about as of 1984. (This has been corroborated by Israeli sources, as well.) At that time, this list, known in intelligence circles as the "blue book," would have been relatively unimportant to the United States—but not to Israel.

Since 9/11, however, Pollard’s "blue book" is of profound interest to everyone, including the U.S. These particular agents are now a major embarrassment to the Saudis and to the handful of American spy chiefs who had employed these Saudi intelligence agents on the sly. Some of the names on this list—such as Osama Bin Laden—turned out to be leaders of terrorist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood and what we now call Al Qaeda.

In hindsight, we now know that Pollard stole the one book—that, incidentally, was alluded to in Weinberger’s secret memorandum—that unquestionably proves that the Americans knew as early as 1984 about the connection between the Saudis and terrorist groups.

How does this all fit together? During the Reagan-Bush administrations, the National Security Council wanted to throw the Soviets out of Afghanistan using Arab soldiers instead of American. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but no one thought about the long-term consequences. In imitation of the Soviet strategy of hiring terrorists, we asked the Saudis to recruit a proxy army of Islamic terrorists whom we would supply with guns and pay indirectly, according to intelligence sources. By having the Saudis hire the "freedom fighters," we could avoid embarrassing questions in Congress about giving the taxpayers money to known Arab terrorists.

In 1982, I went on "60 Minutes" to expose Nazi war criminals I had been assigned to prosecute who were then working for the CIA. It was one of those Cold War blunders. The CIA didn’t have a clue it was dealing with Nazi war criminals. It thought they were "freedom fighters." In 1985, I ended up testifying before the U.S. House Judiciary Committee about Nazis on the intelligence payroll.

Sadly, the only lesson the intelligence bosses learned was to put the bad guys on someone else’s payroll (the Saudis for one), and then reimburse them under the table. Because of my whistle-blowing during the early 1980s, the CIA was still pretty sensitive about hiring Nazi "freedom fighters" without background checks, so they were mostly kept out of the loop about the Arab terrorists hired clandestinely by the Saudis to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

The Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989. The naive Americans walked away from the Frankenstein monster they had created, but the cynical Saudis kept the terrorists on the payroll. From the Saudi perspective, it was safer to keep paying the terrorists groups to attack Israel, Bosnia or Chechnya rather than letting them all back into Saudi Arabia. As one U.S. intelligence bureaucrat cynically confided to me, "Sure we knew that the Saudis were giving money to terrorist groups, but they were only killing Jews, they weren’t killing Americans."

In this "Keystone Cops" affair, one wing of U.S. intelligence was hunting terrorists while another winked at the Saudis’ recruitment of them. I have spoken to numerous FBI and CIA counter-terrorist agents, all of whom tell a similar story. Whenever the FBI or CIA came close to uncovering the Saudi terrorist connection, their investigations were mysteriously terminated. In hindsight, I can only conclude that some of our own Washington bureaucrats have been protecting the Al Qaeda leadership and their oil-rich Saudi backers from investigation for more than a decade.

I am not the only one to reach this conclusion. In his autobiography, Oliver North confirmed that every time he wanted to do something about terrorism, Weinberger stopped him because it might upset the Saudis and jeopardize the flow of oil to the U.S. John O’Neill, a former FBI agent and our nation’s top Al Qaeda expert, stated in a 2001 book written by Jean Charles Brisard, a noted French intelligence analyst, that everything we wanted to know about terrorism could be found in Saudi Arabia.

O’Neill warned the Beltway bosses repeatedly that if the Saudis were to continue funding Al Qaeda, it would end up costing American lives, according to several intelligence sources. As long as the oil kept flowing, they just shrugged. Outraged by the Saudi cover-up, O’Neill quit the FBI and became the new chief of security at the World Trade Center. In a bitter irony, the man who could have exposed his bosses’ continuous cover-up of the Saudi-Al Qaeda link was himself killed by Al Qaeda on 9/11.

Congress has been told repeatedly that American intelligence never knew the identities of the Arabs who threw the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Inadvertently, Pollard stole the ultimate smoking gun that shows exactly what the leaders of our intelligence community knew and when they knew it. The "blue book" Pollard stole flatly establishes that all the dots were connected many years before 9/11, and the only thing the intelligence chiefs did competently was cover up the fact that we had long known about the Saudi-terrorist link.

In the ultimate irony, Pollard may have to be let out of prison to testify before Congress about the negligence of his own superiors. Like O’Neill, Pollard had tried to warn his superiors that a wave of terrorism was coming out of the Middle East, but no one would listen. Pollard himself told me this. Pollard has admitted—to me and in writing to President Clinton—that he was wrong and stupid in passing the information to Israel on his own, but in the long run he may have committed the most unpardonable sin of all: He was right and the bureaucrats were wrong.

Pollard never thought he was betraying his country. And he never did, although he clearly violated its laws. He just wanted to help protect Israelis and Americans from terrorists. Now in prison for nearly two decades, Pollard, who is in his late 40s, grows more ill year by year. If, as seems likely, American bureaucrats choose to fight a prolonged delaying action over a new hearing, Pollard will probably die in prison. There are people in power inside the Beltway who have been playing for time. Time for them ran out on 9/11. Sooner or later, they are going to be held accountable. I hope that Pollard lives to see it.

24 posted on 08/14/2003 10:38:48 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: eclectic
"Free American(Israeli) hero Jonathan Pollard!" Gee. I quess I'm one of the ignoramuses. Please explain in what sense is a spy who sells information to another country a F**KING hero? I'm sure you have a truck load of reasons. And how did a spy who sold information for a profit save my buut. I'm very fond of my butt and need to know how he has saved my precious butt.
25 posted on 08/14/2003 10:43:07 PM PDT by novacation
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To: eclectic
Throw the key away, he is skunk and he should never breath a "free" breath of air.
26 posted on 08/14/2003 10:44:58 PM PDT by Phyto Chems
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To: dennisw
John O'Neill went to Yemen to find the terrorists who bombed the USS Cole and was prevented from doing so by the U.S. Ambassador Bodine--who has since been made an official in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Robert Baer in See No Evil: The True Story of a Ground Soldier in the CIA's War on Terrorism, Crown, 2002, was on the verge of catching the perp who bombed our embassy in Beirut in 1983, and framed by Tony Lake for an attempt to assassinate Saddam Hussein.

The information on the Benjamin Netanyahu site I linked above goes along with John Loftus' article you posted here.

The Bill Gertz' Breakdown: How America's Intelligence Failures Led to September 11, Regnery, 2002, outlines the devastation to human intelligence capability of CIA wrought by Church and Torricelli--and Carter's DCI Stansfield Turner, who fired 800 case officers outright.

The Ames and Hanssen scandals were brutal, and indicative of the fish thoroughly rotted from the head.

Moreover, the presence of Bernard Schwartz on the Clinton donor list is damning to both men--it was only Schwartz/Loral's 200-page fax to the PLA which made the PRC's missiles reliable enough to target us.

And it was only the work of Wen Ho Lee, outlined in FReeper Notra Trulock's (ntrulock) Codename Kindred Spirit which made the MIRVing of the DF-31 possible.

The terrorists of the Middle East have been protected for reasons suggested in Robert Baer's second work, Sleeping With the Devil: How America Sold Its Soul for Saudi Crude.

Pollard was smeared, and Ames and Hanssen were protected.

The machinations described in Ann Coulter's Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism, continue apace.

O'Neill was driven from the FBI and killed in the WTC.

Barbara Olson, most effective critic of Hillary Smoocher of Suha the Blood Libeler was flown into the Pentagon.

Now the Senate Intelligence Committee attempts to force a presidential finding to release funds for military special operations--to enable these Senators to alert their Islamist donors in advance.

Via email Gertz indicates he suspects Cambone.

Bush has appointed Daniel Pipes by recess appointment, indicating he will work around the obstruction of the Senate.

If we are to avoid another attack (instigated by the unscrupulous Hillary and bankrolled by the equally unscrupulous Soros) it is vital to continue the interception of all such materiel as the Igli recently confiscated.

27 posted on 08/14/2003 11:10:11 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Pollard was smeared, and Ames and Hanssen were protected.........

This is the key. Pollard did his spying and did his crimes. And now he's doing time. But truth has not been served in this case.

Actually our biggest traitor is X42 and his treason and sell out to the ChiComs are impacting us today
28 posted on 08/14/2003 11:14:52 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Phil V.
How lovely of you to wake up from your coma to post this. (Phil has made no posts for weeks)
29 posted on 08/14/2003 11:16:08 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
Roger that about traitorrapist42--we will be watching for the next major terrorist attack engineered by him and Hitlery.
30 posted on 08/14/2003 11:46:13 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: dennisw
(Phil has made no posts for weeks)

How lovely, warm and fuzzy to be missed, denny! And I am comforted to know that you were concerned for my health. The rumor of my "coma" is without merit or foundation. Actually I have been ENGAGED IN LIFE!!! I am vaguely saddened to see that you, on the other hand, are still stuck in the rat race of racing around FreeRepublic "outing" the politicaly incorrect. It's nice outside!!! Why not leave your cubical and LIVE for a few weeks??? Surely the ADL gives vacation?

31 posted on 08/15/2003 6:21:43 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: novacation
If not for Pollard you might be glowing in the dark right now. Gee, do people follow current events at all?!
32 posted on 08/15/2003 6:32:21 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
Memo to bloodthirsty ignoramuses: he saved your behind too!

What did he save my behind from?

33 posted on 08/15/2003 6:36:24 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Nothin' says lovin' like full auto!)
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To: eclectic
Thanks. That really clears it up.
34 posted on 08/15/2003 6:36:42 AM PDT by novacation
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To: WestPacSailor
How about, say... NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION?
35 posted on 08/15/2003 6:38:28 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
How about, say... NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION?

I'm still not sure how the treason of someone entrusted with national security information saved my butt from nuclear annihilation. I really would like to know your position, as well as your source of information.

36 posted on 08/15/2003 6:42:00 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Nothin' says lovin' like full auto!)
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To: WestPacSailor
This is a common knowledge... Pollard provided to the Israelis info that led to the raid on Osirak nuclear reactor. This is the horrible "crime", he is crucified for. Just do Internet search with "pollard" and "osirak" as keywords...
37 posted on 08/15/2003 6:53:05 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
This is a common knowledge

Common to whom? Are you someone with access to classified documents regarding the case that the rest of us are not? I think perhaps not.

You may believe that Pollard is innocent, but those of us in the intelligence community know what he did, and what he did was pass classified, U.S. national defense information that he was sworn to protect to a foreign government without proper authorization. This is a treasonous act. Period. It has no bearing that the foreign nation in question is our "ally". There is a saying in my line of work: "We have no friends and no enemies, only interests."

Pollard is a traitor. Traitors should be executed. He's lucky he is only in prison for the rest of his life.

38 posted on 08/15/2003 7:08:33 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Nothin' says lovin' like full auto!)
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To: WestPacSailor
"Common to whom?"

Common to people with the Internet access. Apparently "you in the intelligence community" choose to ignore the facts that do not fit your worldview. Do you really prefer atomic bombs in terrorist hands to Pollard's "treason"? Are you really that stupid or just malevolent?

39 posted on 08/15/2003 7:19:03 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
Are you really that stupid or just malevolent?

Here's one to wrap your little brain around. PERHAPS YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS!

Just because you saw, or did not see, something posted on the internet doesn't mean it did or did not happen. Realize, if you can, that things happen that YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS AWARE OF and perhaps there's a reason for that.

Keep exercising your First Amendment right but keep in mind there are people out there who DO know more about some things than you do.

40 posted on 08/15/2003 7:24:11 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Nothin' says lovin' like full auto!)
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To: WestPacSailor
I operate based on the facts that I have and the public has - all right. Your reference to publicly unknown facts is a form of fallacy and demagoguery
41 posted on 08/15/2003 7:39:27 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
fallacy and demagoguery

Be carefull, you might hurt yourself using big words like that before you take the training wheels off!

Seriously though, I'm refuting your statements based on the facts that I have and my facts contradict your facts. Who's facts are right? I guess we each believe ours are. However comma I know that I have MORE facts than you do, by fact of my job, and I can tell you that you do not have ALL the facts.

Your position is common, but not necessarily the only one held by Americans.

42 posted on 08/15/2003 7:44:33 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Nothin' says lovin' like full auto!)
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To: WestPacSailor
Seriously though, I'm refuting your statements based on the facts that I have and my facts contradict your facts.

This is no way to win an argument at a public forum. You have to argue based on the publicly available facts. For all I know your facts are just made up by intelligence offcials to cover up their real failures

43 posted on 08/15/2003 7:57:54 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
Actually, there is no way to win an argument with you. No matter what facts you are faced with you will continue to see a 'vast government conspiracy' and a 'cover up' because that's what you want to believe.

They say ignorance is bliss. You must be one ecstatic puppy.

44 posted on 08/15/2003 8:01:46 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Never run out of altitude, airspeed and ideas all at the same time.)
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To: PhilDragoo
You have posted exceptional insights but I have problems with one issue.

It boggles my mind to consider that Reagan's Secretary of Defense Weinberger was dishonest. Are you trying to tell me Reagan's Weinberger was a disingenuous liar? If this is true what is left for me to believe in?
45 posted on 08/15/2003 7:46:01 PM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: HISSKGB
From John Loftus and Mark Aarons, The Secret War Against the Jews, St. Martins Griffin, 1994, page 402:

Far from being the super spy that "Cap" Weinberger portrayed him to be, Pollard was a low-level incompetent with an exaggerated opinion of his own worth. CIA officer Ricky Ames may have exaggerated Pollard's leaks in order to conceal his own work for the Russians. As a practical matter, Pollard had little access either to communications intercept or satellite data, let alone secret NSA codes. According to the security officers familiar with the Pollard case, his primary access was to U.S. Navy data banks on ocean shipping. His private focus was on arms shipments to terrorists, which was fairly routine material.

~~~

Ames was the Russians' jewel and avoided detection by manipulating his superiors including Weinberger.

This was just after Carter's DCI Stansfield Turner fired 800 case officers crippling CIA's humint to this very day.

Clinton fired Woolsey who was onto Ramzi Yousef's being an Iraqi agent, then installed Deutch who bragged his intention was to "f--k them" [CIA]--which he did.

Deutch compromised 17,000 CIA files on his unsecure home computer logged onto Russian sites.

Deutch was covered by Nora Slatkin who did to CIA DO what Hazel O'Leary did to Energy (which Bill Wen Ho Richardson finished).

Now there are missiles coming into the West Bank which are the counterpart to the attempts to bring missiles into the U.S.

With Soros bankrolling the Democrats and Khodorovsky doing the same for the Communists and Chechens, it is certain to be an interesting fourteen months.

46 posted on 08/15/2003 11:08:56 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: eclectic
"Free American hero Jonathan Pollard!"

Not!
47 posted on 08/15/2003 11:23:57 PM PDT by Penner
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To: PhilDragoo
If you will notice, everything Loftus says about this issue comes from undocumented and unnamed sources. This means we are left with the choice of believing Reagan's Secretary of Defense Weinberger or John Loftus.
48 posted on 08/16/2003 8:30:06 AM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: HISSKGB
You're left with the choice of believing convicted spy Aldrich Ames or John Loftus.
49 posted on 08/16/2003 4:15:08 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
I can't understand what you are telling me. Weinberger, as Secretary of Defense, was privy to more information than you, I or John Loftus would ever have. If you think Weinberger was wrong, so be it but I have seen no concrete provable reasons to challenge his decisions.
50 posted on 08/16/2003 8:10:24 PM PDT by HISSKGB
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