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The Neoconservative Persuasion: What it was, and what it is.
The Weekly Standard ^ | August 25, 2003 | Irving Kristol

Posted on 08/14/2003 9:38:27 PM PDT by quidnunc

"[President Bush is] an engaging person, but I think for some reason he's been captured by the neoconservatives around him." – Howard Dean, U.S. News & World Report, August 11, 2003

What exactly is neoconservatism? Journalists, and now even presidential candidates, speak with an enviable confidence on who or what is "neoconservative," and seem to assume the meaning is fully revealed in the name. Those of us who are designated as "neocons" are amused, flattered, or dismissive, depending on the context. It is reasonable to wonder: Is there any "there" there?

Even I, frequently referred to as the "godfather" of all those neocons, have had my moments of wonderment. A few years ago I said (and, alas, wrote) that neoconservatism had had its own distinctive qualities in its early years, but by now had been absorbed into the mainstream of American conservatism. I was wrong, and the reason I was wrong is that, ever since its origin among disillusioned liberal intellectuals in the 1970s, what we call neoconservatism has been one of those intellectual undercurrents that surface only intermittently. It is not a "movement," as the conspiratorial critics would have it. Neoconservatism is what the late historian of Jacksonian America, Marvin Meyers, called a "persuasion," one that manifests itself over time, but erratically, and one whose meaning we clearly glimpse only in retrospect.

Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy. That this new conservative politics is distinctly American is beyond doubt. There is nothing like neoconservatism in Europe, and most European conservatives are highly skeptical of its legitimacy. The fact that conservatism in the United States is so much healthier than in Europe, so much more politically effective, surely has something to do with the existence of neoconservatism. But Europeans, who think it absurd to look to the United States for lessons in political innovation, resolutely refuse to consider this possibility.

Neoconservatism is the first variant of American conservatism in the past century that is in the "American grain." It is hopeful, not lugubrious; forward-looking, not nostalgic; and its general tone is cheerful, not grim or dyspeptic. Its 20th-century heroes tend to be TR, FDR, and Ronald Reagan. Such Republican and conservative worthies as Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, and Barry Goldwater are politely overlooked. Of course, those worthies are in no way overlooked by a large, probably the largest, segment of the Republican party, with the result that most Republican politicians know nothing and could not care less about neoconservatism. Nevertheless, they cannot be blind to the fact that neoconservative policies, reaching out beyond the traditional political and financial base, have helped make the very idea of political conservatism more acceptable to a majority of American voters. Nor has it passed official notice that it is the neoconservative public policies, not the traditional Republican ones, that result in popular Republican presidencies.

One of these policies, most visible and controversial, is cutting tax rates in order to stimulate steady economic growth. This policy was not invented by neocons, and it was not the particularities of tax cuts that interested them, but rather the steady focus on economic growth. Neocons are familiar with intellectual history and aware that it is only in the last two centuries that democracy has become a respectable option among political thinkers. In earlier times, democracy meant an inherently turbulent political regime, with the "have-nots" and the "haves" engaged in a perpetual and utterly destructive class struggle. It was only the prospect of economic growth in which everyone prospered, if not equally or simultaneously, that gave modern democracies their legitimacy and durability.

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KEYWORDS: irvingkristol; liberalagenda; neocon; neocons; neoconservative
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To: mrustow
Or who took Christianity serious. Very good points there Mrustow.
41 posted on 08/15/2003 12:59:58 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: wirestripper

In the real world, people who fit the Neo-Conservative mold are a very small minority in the GOP, its just those with the neo-conservative view point have the most influence on radio talk show and other "conservative media". But ask rank and file Republicans outside the gated communities, while they may not be isolationist on military policy, their views on immigration and globalisim in general are far closer to the paleo-conservative view point then the neo-conservative view point. Just look on the threads on the economy and immigration here at FR.

Also, many people that might be called paleo-conservatives are in reality Democrats who are conservative if not reactionary on social issues and have since left the party. Other "paleos" while anti globalist have a very minimalist view on govrenmnet, almost Libertarian in nature.
42 posted on 08/15/2003 1:19:34 AM PDT by JNB
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To: DPB101
What Wolfowitz wants only gets done because 95% of Republicans agree with him.

That's twice, to this point, that you've thrown that 95% number out. Where do you get that? Blackbird.

43 posted on 08/15/2003 1:30:45 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: mrustow
Good thing I take my irony supplement several times a day.

Where is the irony. You aren't saying that we started the war in Iraq, are you?

If you have a problem with the idea that civil, liberated, "democratic" nations are less of a threat then those that aren't, then we live on different planets.

44 posted on 08/15/2003 1:37:40 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const tag& thisTagWontChange)
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To: billbears
The word, 'neocon' is becoming popular among Bush critics because it sounds sinister, like 'neo-nazi'. I'm not 100% 'go Bush go'. But this is just some desperate name calling by Ron Paul types. Of course, we need the Ron Paul types, who forever assume the worst, just as Thomas Jefferson played an important role with the Founding Fathers. But we also need the Hamiltons and Washingtons, who got things done.
45 posted on 08/15/2003 1:49:15 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Nazi, liberal, what's the difference? Liberals are worse.)
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To: quidnunc
Irving Kristol is really brilliant. He had me convinced there was a future for conservatism. Without his literary contributions, I doubt there would be an FR, much less than an ascendant Republican Party today. I count myself in this school of thought. For me the "neo" prefix no longer matters; virtually everything about this particular persuasion in our time has by definition become conservatism.
46 posted on 08/15/2003 1:58:20 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MattAMiller
No we don't. We accept the fact the elderly and poor need to be provided for. Its a political reality. We seek less intrusive ways of helping those who can't look after themselves. In order words, we seek to confine the welfare state to appropriate and ordered limits. This also follows a recognition that any talk of abolishing the welfare state is a political pipe dream; its never going to happen. Our conservatism is pragmatic, flexible, and politically adaptable. Which leaves our friends and opponents equally confounded.
47 posted on 08/15/2003 2:05:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: mrustow
Hardly. Back in the day when we disillusioned liberals started criticizing the excess of LBJ's Great Society, some in National Review thought we were onto something. And since they discovered we had so much in common we accepted their invitation to join them and as they say, the rest is history.
48 posted on 08/15/2003 2:08:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: DPB101
"You want another word for liberal Republicans?"

Easy, a 'democrat'
49 posted on 08/15/2003 2:11:23 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: quidnunc
Probably.

I don't agree with his points though. He tries to take credit for the neocons embedding in Republicanism a love for economic growth. That is nonsense- that has been a major aspect of the Republican party from the day it was created (and it was a major defining characteristic of the Whig party which preceded it). I would go so far as to say that what Kristol describes as 'neoconservative' is just Whiggery with a smattering of 'social safety net' policies.

50 posted on 08/15/2003 4:29:14 AM PDT by William McKinley (Who will go this week-- Carter? Nixon? Presidential Survivor http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: quidnunc
Cases in point:
This leads to the issue of the role of the state. Neocons do not like the concentration of services in the welfare state and are happy to study alternative ways of delivering these services. But they are impatient with the Hayekian notion that we are on "the road to serfdom." Neocons do not feel that kind of alarm or anxiety about the growth of the state in the past century, seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable. Because they tend to be more interested in history than economics or sociology, they know that the 19th-century idea, so neatly propounded by Herbert Spencer in his "The Man Versus the State," was a historical eccentricity. People have always preferred strong government to weak government, although they certainly have no liking for anything that smacks of overly intrusive government. Neocons feel at home in today's America to a degree that more traditional conservatives do not. Though they find much to be critical about, they tend to seek intellectual guidance in the democratic wisdom of Tocqueville, rather than in the Tory nostalgia of, say, Russell Kirk.

But it is only to a degree that neocons are comfortable in modern America. The steady decline in our democratic culture, sinking to new levels of vulgarity, does unite neocons with traditional conservatives--though not with those libertarian conservatives who are conservative in economics but unmindful of the culture. The upshot is a quite unexpected alliance between neocons, who include a fair proportion of secular intellectuals, and religious traditionalists.

The same alliances, with the same ties for the same reasons with the same dissenters, existed back in the days of Democrats Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren and their Whig opponents Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, and William Henry Harrison.
51 posted on 08/15/2003 4:32:19 AM PDT by William McKinley (Who will go this week-- Carter? Nixon? Presidential Survivor http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: Torie
He's describing Whigs.
52 posted on 08/15/2003 4:34:01 AM PDT by William McKinley (Who will go this week-- Carter? Nixon? Presidential Survivor http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: DPB101
The left has taken the word "neocon" and turned it into "Imperialist Republican Jew who wants to run the world"
From where I sit, it is the paleocons who have done this. There are those who will say that on this point, where I say it was the paleos and you say it was the left, we actually are not contradicting each other. At times it seems that way to me as well, although that is probably overstating it just a tad.
53 posted on 08/15/2003 4:36:38 AM PDT by William McKinley (Who will go this week-- Carter? Nixon? Presidential Survivor http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: mrustow
Not with each other, they don't.
54 posted on 08/15/2003 4:38:42 AM PDT by William McKinley (Who will go this week-- Carter? Nixon? Presidential Survivor http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: quidnunc
I equate neo-cons with brainless idiots. How's that?
55 posted on 08/15/2003 6:00:02 AM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: woofie
Me.
56 posted on 08/15/2003 6:03:16 AM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: woofie
Me. What's in your wallet?
57 posted on 08/15/2003 6:03:33 AM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: JNB; hellinahandcart; Noumenon
"Other "paleos" while anti globalist have a very minimalist view on govrenmnet, almost Libertarian in nature."

Precisely.

58 posted on 08/15/2003 6:06:51 AM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: Torie
You seemed to have missed that there are different strains of "conservative" thought. Where have you been?… I can't make heads nor tails of your post. Sorry. …Is there any need for us to parse freak thought? I'm a WASP by the way.

If it helps, after being banned here as LarryLied for his anti-Semitic posts, he’s been Voegelin at libertyforum, till returning here as a toned down dpb101.

59 posted on 08/15/2003 7:03:32 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Willie Green
Hmmmmm.... Kristol makes it sound like some kind of transgendered "alternative lifestyle".

ROTFLMAO! Oh that was spot on!

60 posted on 08/15/2003 7:04:03 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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