[Cold Heat]

But compare their beliefs to those of the founders and the neocons end up looking more like socialist revolutionaries

The founders would be totally confused by todays society and could not apply their lines of reasoning to the present day mode of life.

I think that they would be pleased however, as they learned what government was capable of doing.

Their vision was very limited in the early days and was confined more to not becoming a English style monarchy. That was their biggest fear.

That is just reality. Not some socialist bent.

[sheltonmac]

I think that they would be pleased however, as they learned what government was capable of doing.

Please with what, exactly? The percentage of our income confiscated by the federal government? The amount we spend on unconstitutional welfare programs like Social Security, Medicare, and publik edukashun? The number of foreign nations in which we have U.S. troops stationed?

[u-89]

>The founders would be totally confused by todays society and could not apply their lines of reasoning to the present day mode of life.

That is because the "progressive" century we just lived through is the anithesis of everything the founders believed in.

>I think that they would be pleased however, as they learned what government was capable of doing.

Based on what evidence?

[headsonpikes]

"I think that they would be pleased however, as they learned what government was capable of doing."

Firstly, I had to assure myself that this was not an ironic post. Having reviewed some of your earlier posts, I can plainly see that the statement was not tongue-in-cheek.

"what government was capable of doing,"

Beyond the obvious scornful answer of mass-murder, genocide, destruction through war and confiscation all of the fruits of civilization, I would like to consider what are usually considered the sober answers to this challenge.

Public education: IMHO, the transmission belt of socialist values and practices to the next generation. Disgusting.

Social Welfare: IMHO, the chief means of reducing the citizenry to a class of dependents, with a diminished view of their own capacity to live without government help. Appalling.

Foreign Aid, Environmentalism, Other Worthy Causes: IMHO, robbing the poor people of rich countries, like America, to enrich the Cannibal Kings of poor countries, and to provide a respectable professional income and status to the oozier sort of offspring of the upper classes. Malignant.

Socialism is the enemy of mankind, even when polished up with good old American know-how.