[11B3]

It's becoming obvious that the UN's attempt to remove our national sovereignty is not about to stop for any reason. The Liberal enemies within will use any and all tools available to them to insure our nation's destruction.

So at what point does something get beyond the talking phase regarding getting both the UN and the liberals removed from our system of government?

The voters need to hear this kind of information, so we can start a larger groundswell of public outrage, and so that getting out of the UN becomes an election issue.

[Kay Ludlow]

Henry Lamb bump!

[steplock]

Want to be REALLY scared? See who is pulling the strings in ALL of our LOCAL government offices!!

Go to www.google.com - in the search box, simply enter:

"international association of" (use the quotes)

You will see why the current push for e-voting etc when you follow the links to the IAO-Secretary of State, IAO-County Clerks, IAO- etc etc etc.

If you check the links at each and every site (thousands!) you will see "All roads go to the U.N.)"

[dennisw]

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[Gabz]

I am aware that this is environment related, however, we have all encountered the following type of 'shove it down their throats we know what's best' mentality, haven't we??????

These special interest groups are often called "visioning" councils, or "stakeholder," or "watershed" councils. They are designed to appear to be representative of the affected community. Most often, however, they consist of individuals who are government employees or executives or staff of special interest groups, with only a token number of carefully selected elected officials and business leaders.......

At the public meetings, a paid facilitator leads the group to choose from several options in several categories - transportation, zoning, education, economic development - until a final set of proposals is developed, which is then presented to the governing body for adoption and implementation. Rarely do the elected officials have the necessary information, or the political will, to oppose this vision developed by the "citizens" of the community.

In reality, it is not a vision of the citizens of the community. Ordinary citizens are rarely even notified of the meetings. When they do show up to ask questions, they are often ridiculed, marginalized, and dismissed.......

[marsh2]

Henry takes this to extremes. The process itself is not inherently loaded with the UN agenda. I have participated on Watershed Councils, Community Action Plans and Non-Profit and Public Agency Board retreats where the meetings included a vision statement, were facilitated and used consensus.

In fact, I facilitated professionally and taught facilitation as a corporate trainer decades ago. (It was an outgrowth of Japanese "quality circles," where employee' ideas were used to solve problems.)

I stand by the process. Although I have had a bad experience with concensus where one participant held the group hostage in making any decisions by refusing to agree to anything.

I have also seen the USFS and the BLM use the process to direct, control and contain public comment. (Particularly in the use of breakout groups and predetermined topics.) One simply refuses to participate in such a forum and protests loudly in favor of traditional timed open mike.

As a representative of the people, I find such forums useful in letting me know community opinion and concerns. The problem is often, (as Property Rights Attny. Karen Budd Fallon says,) that "recommendations are made a by those that show up." This is a participatory form of government. It does not work well when you sit at home, vote for someone to make decisions and then never share your knowledge and experience on matters with them.

Public officials need information to make good decisions and this process is one way to provide that information.

[nothingnew]

Probably the best and simplest (which I need) report on the NGO's I've ever read.

FMCDH

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt

[MissAmericanPie]

Don't look now but they are winning and will continue to win. They have taken over the Republican Party, all posturing to the contrary.

The voters booth has become a corrupted dead end.